Nope, you didn't fail - it was "Deferred Success"!

[Saitek]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4697461.stm

Had me grinning. Our education is so nuts.  ;D

[ozzy72]

Political Correctness - the language of cowardice

[Hagar]

Wesley Paxton, a member of the association's council, is supporting the motion - as he argues for a system that "tops up" rather than fails.

"If you engage a builder to build a 5-foot wall and he only does it 4' 9", you fetch him back.

"You don't demolish it and make him start all over again - he simply lays another course of bricks to 'top it up'.

Wrong. You don't pay him a single penny until he does the job properly. A builder like that wouldn't last long. He'd soon be looking for another line of work.

About time these misguided people learned about life in the real world & stopped messing around with the education system. Don't they realise the future of the next generation is in their not-so capable hands? You can't have success without failure & the sooner you learn that the better.

[ozzy72]

Kevin covered that very matter superbly the other day Doug
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/ ... 1121519834

[Saitek]

I can't understand the school system. How does the UK compare to Hungary over schoold Mark? Do they still have smacking over there?

[Hagar]

Kevin covered that very matter superbly the other day Doug
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/ ... 1121519834

Right. That should be printed out in big red letters & pinned up on the notice board of every school in the country. A double-sized version for every staff-room.

I read the other day that 100 lines is no longer used as a punishment. Apparently it's against the pupils' human rights. Call me stupid but exactly what DO they use for punishment these days? In my school it was more like 500 lines & if just one word was illegible or incorrectly spelled you had to do the whole thing all over again. This was a valuable lesson & taught you to get it right the first time. No wonder the education system is in such a state. Sorry teachers, your new-fangled experiments & theories failed. Must try harder.

PS. Present company excepted. Thank goodness there are some of the "old school" left.

[ozzy72]

The system here is v.different, but in many ways like school 20 years ago in Britain. There are some schools that still have corporal punishment (personally I'm in favour of capital punishment, especially for the non-production of homework)
No uniforms, school canteen food is edible, lots of homework and long days (normally start before 8am).
Hungarian students by and large are v.hard working and view education as something important, there is a lot of competition to get into a good school (so lots of private students for me, all paying in lovely tax-free CASH ).
There are also competitions held locally, regionally and nationally in nearly all subjects and a great deal of prestige is attatched to these. Last year my students won the national competition in Debating in English! I was so v.proud of them, they had worked damned hard and deserved that win (along with the trip for 2 weeks to England that they go on next week)
I want Emi to be educated here, I think that tells you all you need to know

[Saitek]

Thought it might be like that. The teachers I know of here really dislike it as a job.

[Craig.]

I think the first question would be. How many of these idiots (lets face it thats what most are, not all but most) would even know what the word deferred means? And then how many of them would know you can use a dictionary to find out? So thus hiding the fact of failing to these students. That doesnt encourage a person to do better, it just lets them think they are doing enough to get by. Personally any time i heard the word failing, it encouraged me to work alot harder. Those that are "put off" by it dont really want to learn anyway.

There are some schools that still have corporal punishment

Wasn't Mrs Ozzy a student of yours? So just what did she do wrong to end up with you.  Just joking.

[Saitek]

lol Craig.

That is a good point though - those it is most applicable it won't make any difference to and those that would be upset about it will lose the push to try harder. I always couldn't bear failing and it really pushed me.

[Craig.]

She argues that repeated failure, such as in exams, can damage pupils' interest in learning.

to me that suggests a problem not only with student but also teacher.

[Hagar]

to me that suggests a problem not only with student but also teacher.

I think you're right but it's not all that teacher's fault. It's the system & the way she's forced to teach. I feel the teaching profession bought it upon itself back in the 1970s when discipline & respect went out of the window. There's also too much emphasis on academic subjects these days. If you fail those all-important exams you're a failure, whether they're any use to you or not. That's the reason there's a shortage of skilled manual workers, like plumbers who can name their own price. It's also the reason I read about all these stressed-out young people, even committing suicide when they think they've failed. They haven't failed at all. The system failed them.

[Craig.]

Sadly the system can be traced so far back in terms of who could be blamed, we could be here all night agreeing and disagreeing whos at fault.

[Hagar]

I think this says it all. http://itn.co.uk/news/305057.html

Schools ban 'lines' as punishment
9.15AM, Mon Jul 11 2005
Teachers will no longer be able to give out 'lines' for pupils who behave badly as schools are banning them for fear parents will sue.

The traditional punishment of making a misbehaving pupil copy the same phrase or sentence over and over again is being phased out as school administrators think social workers will say they 'violate human rights'.

Teachers are angry that more power is being taken out of their hands but are also wary that they themselves could be sued if they ignore any bans.

Legal experts say a case could be made that lines could be deemed illegal under current laws protecting children from 'degrading punishments'.

A recent survey said nine out of ten schools have now told teachers not to issue lines as a punishment to children.

Now read the link directly below the article. Task force tackles unruly behaviour

Heads and teachers who are experts in school discipline will form the new Leadership Group on Behaviour and Discipline.

The bold type is mine.

There will also be teacher training so that school staff are equipped to manage poor behaviour.
Protection for teachers is also on the agenda, pressing home to parents that new sentencing guidelines will make it a more serious offence to assault school staff.

Excuse me but surely teachers should be trained to handle poor behaviour before being sent out into the blackboard jungle. Oops, sorry, I forgot that blackboard is a dirty word these days.

[TacitBlue]

Degrading punishment?? But thats the most effective kind! I remember when I was in third or fourth grade, spanking by the teachers was still allowed... in fact I met that fate once or twice. If this trend continues, it looks like eventually school will be deemed "to emotionally stressful" and students will not have to attend.