Why NOT to teach

[ozzy72]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/ ... 96,00.html

Speaks for itself really

[Craig.]

doesn't surprise me. wasn't quite that bad when i was at school a few years back, but it was heading in that direction.

[ATI_7500]

Too long. Could someone summarize that for me?

[ozzy72]

British education has finally been flushed down the toilet by the pinkos and sociologists! The kids run the classroom, and the government prints lies saying how great these schools are when chaos reigns

[Hagar]

I think the teaching profession brought this on itself. I tried to tell them back in the 70s but would they listen? Would they heck.

[TacitBlue]

Im not surprised, its been heading that direction in the US for a while. When I was in sixth grade, I went to an inner city school in Indianapolis. There were at least 2 fights everyday, teachers didnt bother trying to teach anymore. As long as you didnt kill someone, you got to pass.

[commoner]

.....mmmm....in the 40s when I was at school, merely to speak when not spoken to was rewarded with six of the very best and they really were of "the very best" variety...........if I went home and complained to dad, I enjoyed a further free gift of at least six from the buckle end of his belt for being disrespectful at school.

  Now then.... I suppose I should say that I don't advocate going back to those days. Fact is, maybe we should.............commoner

[ozzy72]

I've been saying this for a looooong time commoner, but alas no-one listened
I had the cane a couple of times and it didn't do me any permanent harm!

[commoner]

I've been saying this for a looooong time commoner, but alas no-one listened
I had the cane a couple of times and it didn't do me any permanent harm!

....too right Ozzy...but in the words of the song, unfortunately for various reasons.."It's Too Late Now"...commoner

[Hagar]

I'm not suggesting the return of corporal punishment as a solution but it seems more than coincidence that these problems started when it was outlawed, among a great many other reforms to the education system. The problem goes much deeper that that I'm afraid. It's called lack of respect & affects society as a whole. Discipline should start in the home & is not the responsiblity of schools or teachers.

PS. Discipline is a dirty word these days & as soon as it's mentioned people throw their arms up in horror. I'm accused of advocating physical violence & a return to the "good old days" of beating sense into children. This couldn't be futher from the truth. It's perfectly possible to teach discipline & respect without the use of physical violence.

[ozzy72]

Alas the state things are in now even the threat of violence gets you nothing but grief. However a beating with a big stick should rapidly knock some manners into the majority

[commoner]

Alas the state things are in now even the threat of violence gets you nothing but grief. However a beating with a big stick should rapidly knock some manners into the majority

LOL...mmm...I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that CAPITAL punishment is the way to go..............commoner (joking of course )

[Tequila Sunrise]

Theres no way back to corporal punishment, if it were to be resumed teachers would find themselves in A&E. I know I wouldn't have accepted it and can't think of anyone else I was at school with that would*. I'm not a violent person but I will defend myself.


* having gone through school up to a point without any form of corporal punishment.

Craig

[Katahu]

The high school I went to [elementary and middle schools are always unpredictable] did not have much violence.

However, what it lacked in classroom-violence, it made it up for in car accidents and village idiots. Example: The school's JROTC was at its golden age over a decade ago. Until they came -yes, the village idiots rolled in-. :-/

Since then, we have lost every competition due to lack of leadership. Lack of leadership is the result of lack of good student leaders. And lack of good leaders is the result of the [of course] village idiots conquering the world.

[Hagar]

Theres no way back to corporal punishment, if it were to be resumed teachers would find themselves in A&E. I know I wouldn't have accepted it and can't think of anyone else I was at school with that would*. I'm not a violent person but I will defend myself.

It would be interesting to know what you feel is a suitable form of punishment to keep some of these out of control classes in some sort of order so the teachers can do their job properly. It seems to me that some of these schools are heading for anarchy unless something is done about it.

* having gone through school up to a point without any form of corporal punishment.

I could claim the same as I was never caned at school - although I came close to it once or twice. If I had I would have accepted it as I would probably have deserved it. In fact, I don't specifically remember anyone being caned in the six years I was there. Interesting to note that violence & disorder was unheard of at my school & the thought of laying hands on a teacher would never have entered our heads. I have no idea what it's like there now.