C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

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Re: C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

Postby Hagar » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:18 am

You might find this interesting. http://www.farvis.com/ventnor2.htm
Some of the smaller British airlines were formed after the end of WWII, typically by ex-military pilots who suddenly found themselves out of a job. Most were run on a small budget & often used ex-military aircraft that were available at knock-down prices after the end of the war. The C-47 (Dakota) was an obvious choice. There were plenty on the surplus market & these could be easily converted into airliners. The proper C-47 with large double-doors & strengthened cabin floor was ideal for cargo. Some examples, like ZB in the article, had previously been used as military transports by the RAF & possibly didn't need much in the way of conversion. Channel Airways Dakotas were once a common sight at my local airport.

The BEA version, named the Pionair, was a considerably modified DC-3/C-47 & used many non-standard parts. I remember back in the 60s that the company I worked for manufactured some of these parts. I'm not sure what happened to the drawings or the special tools involved but suspect they were eventually scrapped. I recall that at least one of the original Air Atlantique fleet was a Pionair. I helped trace some of the special parts for it but it's extremely difficult & expensive to supply non-standard parts for vintage types. Much easier to convert back to standard if possible.
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Re: C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

Postby ATI_7500 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:10 am

And what the hell is the R-4D? A C-47 for recon?
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Re: C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

Postby Hagar » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:19 am

And what the hell is the R-4D? A C-47 for recon?

R4D is a pre-1962 US Navy designation. R = Transport.

This was later changed to C.
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Re: C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

Postby ATI_7500 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:35 am

Confusing...
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Re: C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

Postby Hagar » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:50 am

Confusing...

It's confusing as the USN & USAAC designations were different. In fact the USN method is perfectly logical once you know how it works.

(status prefix)(Type)(Manufacturer type sequence)(manufacturer) - (configuration sequence number)(special purpose suffix)

In the case of the R4D it's a Transport type manufactured by D = Douglas.

http://rwebs.net/avhistory/acdesig/usnavy.htm

In the same way the Navy version of the AT-6 is named SNJ & the B-25 becomes the PBJ.
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Re: C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

Postby Felix/FFDS » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:19 am

Confusing...



Not really, what's the difference between an F-110, an F-4D, and an F4H?

or between an F-4D and an F4D ?
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Re: C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

Postby ATI_7500 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:31 am

Phantom and Skyray? The latter was a neat looking fighter...
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Re: C-47 dc-3, whats the difference

Postby Ivan » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:56 am

Li-2 is the russian version.
Identification clues
General and quite visible
  • Passenger version has the door on the right
  • One extra window in the cockpit on each side, so more glass surface.
  • Paratrooper version sometimes has bulged window or a glass door in the cockpit.
  • Standard version (RA-1300K, crashed in 2004) has YAK style cowl flaps that can close the whole intake area, but there are some (HA-LIX) that have DC-3 type cowl flaps

Less visible changes
  • It's a little longer, because of conversion to metric units
  • Less engine power in the basic version (1000HP), later ones have 1300HP engines
Russian planes: IL-76 (all standard length ones),  Tu-154 and Il-62, Tu-134 and [url=http://an24.uw.hu/]An-24RV[/ur
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