YOUR thought on Piracy

[JBaymore]

Now, thew only difference is and mp3 does not phsicaly exist.. in the example you used, I would have to go and phisicaly steal the CD. Now the store is out a 10 buck CD, Wheres, if I get an mp3 and then delete it, the store, RIAA, artist and me gaain or lose anything. Moore like a test drive.

The "existance" is the intellectual property.  It DOES exist.  That it is not a physical object is irrelevant.  

And as to the "test drive"..... the car dealer authorizes that.

best,

....................john

[JBaymore]

I very often post extracts of text and pictures on the Forum from various sources....
I always acknowlege the source of the information, even tho' it very clearly says..."(Copyright 2005 by The xxxx xxxx. All Rights Reserved.).

This is the area which concerns me the most...!

Fozzer,

Depending on the usage and the EXTENT of the use in the US law you can be just fine under the provisions of what is typically known as "Fair Use".  It allows for just such uses in certain situations.  For example you can quote a paragraph as part of a discussion you are writing about a book.... but not the whole book  ;).

best,

..................john

[Smoke2much]

I telephoned London City Police Force and asked them what would happen if I was to get a large boat, crew it with cutthroats and accost strangers on the high seas.  

They assure me that when I was captured I would serve a life sentence for each offence.  

The reason that downloading other peoples property without paying for it is called piracy is because it is a criminal act, it is illegal.  Copyright law is pretty clear on this and calling it file sharing does not make it any less of an offence.

That having been said it is so widespread and so many people have done it (myself included) it is very difficult to police.

As for saying "I am ripping off a huge corporation, it doesn't matter" this is a fallacy.  If you were to steal, at gun point,  my wallet and it contained

[Fozzer]

[quote]

Fozzer,

Depending on the usage and the EXTENT of the use in the US law you can be just fine under the provisions of what is typically known as "Fair Use".

[Paz]

 Funny how there are always those who attempt to justify their criminal behaviour, or blame someone else for their crimes.
 I can't afford a 70" LCD Television so I guess it will be okay if I go steal one, but I shouldn't be considered a criminal because if I had the money I would have bought it, and it's all my employers fault because they don't pay me enough so I can buy the...uh...70" TV...and a Ferrari Enzo too.

 Maybe we should change the laws and make it okay to steal stuff you don't have enough money for, then everyone could have all the stuff they ever wanted and never have to work for it.

[Smoke2much]

It's only OK to steal a 70" LCD TV if you steal the DVD player to go with it.

[Hagar]

This leads back to my point. If you could have everything you ever wanted right now, what ambitions would be left to achieve? What would you do with the rest of your life? I think this explains the tragedies of mega-rich stars like Elvis Presley & others like him who became so wealthy they could afford everything they could possibly think of. This didn't lead to happiness which is something no amount of money can buy but at least they earned their wealth. Getting something for nothing is even worse as there is no incentive to work for anything & no pride in the results of your efforts.

PS. I blame the Internet & the banks for encouraging the "live now, pay later" culture. I still believe that working & saving up for what you want gives the most satisfaction. You also appreciate what you have much more. This is the way I've always done it & I taught my daughter the same values. I never regretted it for one moment.

[Jimbo]

I agree with you Hagar, Just save up, once its done, thats it.

My mother and father have worked there @ss off for 24 years full time, my father being in the police force and my mother in the NHS i have 2 brothers and a sister. They have paid alot of tax and at the end of it i personally think something should be given back. Im proud of my parent's and what they have done, but something like piracy and other laws are something i dont get, i agree i have to pay, and i generally do, but my mother and father have paid there way in life either through tax or my father risking his life doing his job protecting your streets , I just dont think its acceptable from there view. Buying a CD is a big chunk out of there pention considering when there not working.

Its difficult what im trying to get accross, but sometimes no matter who it is or where ever they are, they deserve to be happy.


jimbo

[commoner]

...mmm....I agree that piracy is criminal and cannot be justified, at least in the eyes of the "Law"....however each one of us has to, and do, set our own moral standards...draw our own line as it were when it comes to lawbreaking...There are those who would consider taking the odd sheet of A4 from the office criminal whereas  another would take it as a "perk" of the job....at the other end of the spectrum a guy would kill for a few quid.  My point is that we can all sit here and pontificate on these issues but look at your past and say you never transgressed to ANY degree........Are we all then whiter than white?...I don't think so, just differing shade of grey IMHO..commoner

[Jimbo]

Yes again i agree with you on that one, but im afraid im sticking to what i think. This conversation has got many replys and people must be "guilty" in a way or another, thats why we are all interested, thats what makes us who we are.

Jimbo

[Fozzer]

...........Are we all then whiter than white?...I don't think so, just differing shade of grey IMHO..commoner

I'm definately off-white...
...actually, nearer to a sort of dark grey...
Occasionally black.

Paul.

..all those free-bee pencils, (couloured and HB), erasers, A4 sheets of typing paper, erasing fluid, box files, you name it... ...!
LOL... ... ...!

[commoner]

I'm definately off-white...
...actually, nearer to a sort of dark grey...
Occasionally black.

Paul.

..all those free-bee pencils, (couloured and HB), erasers, A4 sheets of typing paper, erasing fluid, box files, you name it... ...!
LOL... ... ...!

..lol...Fozzer we believe you....we really do....commoner  ;D

[Woodlouse2002]

I personally don't care. Some people here rip to pieces anyone honest enough to admit to owning a payware aircraft they didn't pay for. Yet they will happily copy CD's and download music from the internet.

I've never felt the need to download music off the internet. If I hear a song I like or if I hear a song that is still stuck in my head a week later, I will go out and buy the album. To say you want to be sure you like it is bollocks. You know you like at least one song on it so take a chance and buy the damn thing. This is what I've always done and I've never bought an album I've hated.

As for recording off the telly, I consider that more privateering.  ;D

But yeah, I couldn't actually care less about it. There's no point in getting worked up over something you can do nothing about as all it does is raise your blood pressure, and i'm going to want to keep that as low as possible in later life if I want to continue eating and drinking as I currently do...

[Jimbo]

I agree to the last part, the very last part.

[Gary R.]

But TV producers and networks are very clear that recording programing for personal use is okay.  It would be if one charged another to view the recorded programing that it would be illegal.  It's not a whole lot different than flightsim freeware. As far as working and saving well my wife and I have our credit union debit cards which function as visa also.  But, limited to the available balence in our checking account.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  We don't have any actual credit cards and my old school parents worked all their lives, depression kids and now they have quite a bit and my poor old dad just recovering from heart trouble wants to go back to truck driving as he was before  the first week of january and he turns 73 this month but still wants to be working and really doesn't need to work.  So, I have no use for takers and thieves myself.  My parents didn't raise me that way, I am 41 and worked since i am like 12 myself and I always had to work for things I need or want. The whole world should be old school like my parents.  There's a reason the depression and war era folks are the Great Generation.  They fought for and then helped to build what the western culture has enjoyed since WW 2 ended and now these young people who had it made easy by their hard working and successful parents want it all without sacrifice and its selling the world away.