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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby Papa9571 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:52 pm

I agreee with that. My point is why are we trying to change history and put words and phrases in our Constitution that aren't there?

Personally I believe in the freedom of religion in this country and thats one of the things that make it so great.

You have a right to practice what ever religion you believe in without fear or persecution.

I draw the line at the point somebody tries to force me to believe his way and thats what I think they are trying to say.  
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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby Hagar » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:56 pm

Strange how a civilised discussion on the treatment of old folk should turn into a politically orientated debate on religion. ::)
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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby TacitBlue » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:02 pm

Papa, I agree with you there. as for further opinions on the matter, Ill keep mine to myself. I dont want to turn this into a flame war. Besides I HATE discussing politics, all it does is piss people off at one and other without solving anything.
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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby Craig. » Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:11 am

That and political discussion is not suppoed to be discussed.
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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby jordonj » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:56 am

Jeez...I can't leave you alone for a minute can I?!
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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby Anti-Societys Snake » Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:49 pm

Methinkith its time to read the history books again and discover how this country was founded, not listen to somebody else's skewed version.


Excelent point, I speak agaist following the leader constantly, but yet This is what I am doing. Can you point me towarda an online copy of the constituion and bill of rights?
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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby jordonj » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:00 pm

Sigh...I had hoped this would stop with our admonishments...

You can do a Google search for the Constitution and find it online...

I guess to answer your question Papa, the phrase comes from this:

Thomas Jefferson, as president, wrote a letter to the  Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut  on 1802-JAN-1. It contains the first known reference to the "wall of separation". The essay states in part:

   "...I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State..."

During the 1810's, President James Madison wrote an essay titled "Monopolies" which also refers to the importance of church-state separation. He stated in part:

   "Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history."

The US Supreme Court has interpreted the First Amendment as if it requires this "wall of separation" between church and state. It not only prohibits any government from adopting a particular denomination or religion as official, but requires government to avoid excessive involvement in religion.


The point as I understand it, the 1st Amendment was to provide freedom of religion and freedom from religion.  I know several Christians that think America would become a utopia if everyone "received Jesus", but I would point out places like Colorado City (do a Google search if you want to know more about it).

Remember England and Europe during the time that everything was run by religion?  I can't remember who said this but:

There was a time when everyone believed in God and the church ruled.  That time was called the Dark Ages


Look at Iran (completely run by religion).  Sometime rent and watch The Magdalene Sisters....that took place in Ireland which was, for all practical purposes, also a theocracy at that time

Ut ut ut!  I know what you're going to say.  That you're talking Islam, Catholicism, and Mormonism.  Well listen, if you think that a Protestant theocracy would be any different, you had better think again.

Rottydaddy has some stories to tell about how organized religion keeps people apart.  I do respect that people have different values than my own.  It's when they try to turn their views into legislation that I object.
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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby Anti-Societys Snake » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:09 pm

I concur.
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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby Fly2e » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:25 pm

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Re: A tad bit scary

Postby ozzy72 » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:33 pm

Right chaps you know the rules, debates on politics and religion are not allowed here. Someone always gets upset and goes off in a huff, and this is meant to be a nice friendly place to avoid such stuff!

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