U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Gary R. » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:48 am

Yes, and life is very tenacious once it takes root.  Consider a moment the little volcanic vent critters that exist in hot islands at depths on the sea floor where nothing else lives.  For heavens sake, they eat the mineral spew of the vents!!!!!  No other life could ingest that stuff but they do and they thrive in there little hot micro biospheres.  They are literally aliens right here on our own world.  If it can happen here under extreme conditions I say its a given its happened on other world as well.  Any place with carbon, water, and a sufficient heat source can host creatures like that.  Heat, whether volcanic or solar, it matters little.
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby TacitBlue » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:54 pm

Many scientists have theorized that if life exists elswhere in our solar system, it would be on a frozen planet within frozen bodies of water, deep down next to vocanic vents. the ice would be liquid in these places, and support micro colonies of life forms. Some scientist even think that Titan might support life like this.
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:34 pm

Has anyone ever stopped to consider that before we start looking too hard "out there" that we finish exploring our own planet first? I think something like a mere sixth of our oceans have been properly looked at, christ knows what's in there that we don't know about. Then there are the mountain ranges of the Himalayas and the Urals in Russia, the tropical rainforests and much of the deserts. In actual fact I should think that less than half of this planet is well explored and "known" to us. So I say, lets finish finding out about life on earth before we go looking else where.
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby alrot » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:36 pm

I used to be very exeptical about this issue,espesialy because i'm amateur cosmologist,no one has spend so much time waching the night sky as i regulary do,and i never seen anything strange.besides the law of phisics denied that aliens came from big distances to the earth .but due there a lot of eye witnesses NOW i can't denied,something funny its happening out there
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Hagar » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:55 pm

Has anyone ever stopped to consider that before we start looking too hard "out there" that we finish exploring our own planet first? I think something like a mere sixth of our oceans have been properly looked at, christ knows what's in there that we don't know about. Then there are the mountain ranges of the Himalayas and the Urals in Russia, the tropical rainforests and much of the deserts. In actual fact I should think that less than half of this planet is well explored and "known" to us. So I say, lets finish finding out about life on earth before we go looking else where.

I'm with you on that Woody. Although I didn't say it in so many words I was implying this in my previous reply.

i never seen anything strange.besides the law of phisics denied that aliens came from big distances to the earth .but due there a lot of eye witnesses NOW i can't denied,something funny its happening out there

Hi Alrot. Good to see you. I would be inclined to believe your own eyes. As you say, you spend a lot of time looking & haven't seen anything unusual yourself. Joe Public is very susceptible to auto-suggestion & often sees what he wants to see or thinks he's expected to see. Did you ever hear that children's song
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby mosquito633 » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:34 pm

I recon before we go trying to find new lands we work on trying to save the lands we already have.  Fighting global warming and other doomfull nasties would be a great start ;)
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby beaky » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:07 pm

I recon before we go trying to find new lands we work on trying to save the lands we already have.  Fighting global warming and other doomfull nasties would be a great start ;)


Studying space  isn't exactly stopping anybody from studying the Earth and humanity's problems here... in fact, we wouldn't know a hell of a lot about the ozone layer, global warming, plate tectonics, deforestation, etc., etc., etc. if it wasn't for space science.  Even the missions to other worlds have taught us things about the Earth. And the worst thing that could happen to us short of the sun fizzling out- the impact of a large body like an asteroid or comet- might feasibly be averted some day through the application of space technology. True, the lumpen masses get a lot more excited about noisy rockets and pictures from other worlds than they do about tips on how they can help save the world by making small changes in lifestyle, but that doesn't dictate the value of the achievements of space science thus far, or its potential value.  I'm reminded of how a "P.R. gimmick" like the first photos of Earth sent back by Apollo 8, and the astronauts' awestruck new perception of our world as a tiny, fragile oasis of life in the deep void, had little significance as far as science is concerned, but inspired millions of people to actually start giving a damn about their homeworld as a whole.
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Foxtrot Sport » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:24 am

Ah yes, this age old quesiton of Aliens.  What it really all boils down to is your consideration of what an Alien actually is... Say you think that aliens actually are just little green funny looking people flying around, i would say proposterous.  But, considering that the universe is indeed never ending, thereofwhich we will prbably never know, then saying that there is life outside Earth, sounds perfectly reasonable.  

Saying we are the only living mass of things in the universe sounds a tid bit confuzzling when you say that the universe is never ending.  What would the odds be that if there is life outside Earth, then there must be and exact alternate reality exactly the same to us, and they are wondering the same thing, trying to look for us.

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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby mosquito633 » Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:00 am

Rottydaddy i stand corrected

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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Spitty42 » Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:26 am

If we spend lots of time exploring our world we will most likely never find anything usefull to help us to sustain life on this planet, but i thiknk by exploring into our universe and into space we are finding out more about our planet and about future planets that will help our species to survive before we kill ourselves  by our pathetic ways of life, which destroy the planet we live on.  :(

There are huge benefits to space exploration, we just ahve to help people recognise it! :)
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Hagar » Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:32 am

There are huge benefits to space exploration, we just ahve to help people recognise it! :)

Right-ho Spitty. You can make a start by convincing me. I'm all ears. ;)
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Saitek » Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:28 am

Hi Ben. You seem very certain of your facts. I would ask you to consider two things. The size of the universe is something beyond my imagination. Do you really believe that there's not one single planet out there not capable of sustaining life in some form? Life does not have to be somethiing you or I would recognise. There are countless forms of life on our planet alone but they're all living things.

I might not believe in the common concept of aliens visiting Earth in UFOs but I'm quite certain that our pathetic little planet is not the only one with life on it. I shall never be able to prove it any more than you or anyone else can disprove it. ;)



Hi Doug.
For a start anything from space couldn't get through our atmosphere. There won't be any aliens that could get down. If they were there then to get here and live at the same time they would have to be relatively near. Now I cannot say there is no other form of life, (although I doubt it  :-X ) I don't believe there is anything in our solar system that will support life. The explorations on that recent planets will not show signs of life - just as Mars (I think that has been confirmed) and the Moon didn't.
if you ask scientists straight they will tell you - they speak very often about aliens to keep people interested and to keep the money coming in. There is enough scientific evidence that our scientists have produced that shows it is next to impossible for anything to exist outside the earths environment.

Lastly as for people seening UFO's you'd be amazed at what the human imagination is capable of 'seeing'. My Dad is studying phsycology as part of a degree - and I think he would have to agree there - it's quite amazing what us humans can say and do., I think we are the aliens! ;D :o

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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Craig. » Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:52 am

You mention solar system for your example. Remember our solar system is a tiny spot in our galaxy which contains many solar systems, part of just one of trillions of galaxys in the known universe. Its ignorant to assume we are the only life in the universe. But the human ego likes to think it is the be all and end all of the universe and would never be able to accept we are still very primative should another life form with space traveling abilities exsist.
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Hagar » Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:59 am

[quote]Hi Doug.
For a start anything from space couldn't get through our atmosphere. There won't be any aliens that could get down. If they were there then to get here and live at the same time they would have to be relatively near. Now I cannot say there is no other form of life, (although I doubt it
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Re: U.F.O.'s, Do you believe?

Postby Saitek » Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:01 am

I just think Craig we have enough scientific evidence to suggest that other forms of life are unlikely beyond our reasonable exploration with probes etc. I can't possible speak abou places in which conditions are totally different. I can speak about our solar system with its planets from mercury to Pluto and I believe in that tiny spot there is no life. Any other form of life couldn't get to us as it would be too far to get there. Do you see what I mean? I'm saying there is no life and if there was on another solar system we wouldn't find it/they couldn't contact us as it is too far away.
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