Remember When . . ??

[Wing Nut]

Ahh yes, the good ole days...

Dental care was poor and painful
Doctors then knew what a nurse now knows
Employers were continually raping their employees over hours and wages
Roads were bad and mostly unpaved
Communication was fed to us daily instead of at the moment
Three channels on TV
etc...

[Romulus111VADT]

But there was a case not that long ago, which was centered around the word "God" in the pledge of allegiance.
The judges said that this was against the constitution and thus "God" was removed from the poa.

So if there really is no seperation between church and state, why did they remove it with this reason on behalf of an atheist?

Religion may be avoided nowadays, but persecuted? No way...

It's just a simple case of Judges thinking they know the Constitution better than they actually do. I wouldn't doubt if half of them have never even read it. The other half read it to mean what they wanted it to read....not what it says.

If it's not persecuted. Then why is it challenged at every turn and why is it fought against so fervently? Why does it make so many people uneasy? Why is something that has been fundamental to all the peoples of the earth since time in memorial now being removed from every aspect of life by a small minority of people? I'm baffled by the fact that the majority is being ignored.

It's rather disheartening to me to know that my grandfather, several uncles, my self, and countless thousands of others have fought and died to protect this and many other nations rights. Only to have these rights taken from us by well meaning, but misguided governments and a small minority of peoples that have come to this country to avoid religious persecution in their own countries. They come here with their misguided views that were indoctrinated into them in their country and try to force these misguided beliefs on the very country they sought refuge in. That and this countries governmental authorities are letting them do it...that's what really pisses me off.

[Fly2e]

Hiya everybody. I f any of you are uncomfortable with where this thread is going, you can contact me. Otherwise let's keep it nice.....  ;D

Dave

[Hagar]

[quote]Hiya everybody. I f any of you are uncomfortable with where this thread is going, you can contact me. Otherwise let's keep it nice.....

[Chris_F]

If it's not persecuted. Then why is it challenged at every turn and why is it fought against so fervently? Why does it make so many people uneasy? Why is something that has been fundamental to all the peoples of the earth since time in memorial now being removed from every aspect of life by a small minority of people? I'm baffled by the fact that the majority is being ignored.

Another example of how our modern frame of reference is skewed.  Religous persecution is physical violence against practitioners of a religion.  It's a different set of laws for one religous group than for another.  It's being burned alive because of what you believe.  All of these things happen today.  But in free countries these things are crimes.  In the past they were activities that were formally practiced BY the free-est countries of the time.

But we've skewed our perception.  Today "religous persecution" is being forced to hear the word "god" in the pledge of alegence, or being prevented from saying the word "god" in the pledge of alegence.  That's not persecution.  That's inconvenience.  Want to claim that we're a nation suffering from religous inconvenience?  Fine.  But don't tell me that there is active persecution of religion being practiced by governments of free countries.

I'm an athiest.  You don't want to hear my opinion on the issue of "one nation, under God", or "in God we trust" or any of that.  Trust me.  But I accept there are people who believe in such things and don't try to change them so long as they respect my right to not believe as I choose.

Do I feel uneasy during the pledge of alegence when everyone says the G-word?  It makes me feel like an outsider, like I'm excluded from the group.  But I sure as hell don't feel "persecuted".  Heck, I'd really, really like to become involved with our local Boy Scout troop, an organization that I grew up with.  But I can't because of my religous beliefs.  I don't like it, but I respect it.  And I don't feel persecuted.

[Romulus111VADT]

I thought that we were having an intellectual, friendly debate. But as is the norm in today's society. I expect that this will soon be locked. This is unfortunate as it will make me ponder any further posts. This started as a nostalgic trip back to a more innocent time. Yes, even those days had there problems. I know that Vietnam was a real problem for me and many other soldiers from many different countries. Korea was a problem for my step-father as was WW2 for my grandfather. Each Generation has it's problems yes, but with each passing generation, these problems seemingly get far worse. I will no longer post to this thread and do with it as you feel you should and I will accordingly do what I feel I should.

[ATI_7500]

I'm an athiest.  You don't want to hear my opinion on the issue of "one nation, under God", or "in God we trust" or any of that.  Trust me.  But I accept there are people who believe in such things and don't try to change them so long as they respect my right to not believe as I choose.

I second that and I don't see any point in ending this discussion. Of course,this is thin ice,but we're not getting offensive here.

Chris's post (the last sentence in particular) 'though somehow reminds me of Kants Golden Rule...but since I can't translate it correctly into english, I can't post it here.

[Chris_F]

Chris's post (the last sentence in particular) 'though somehow reminds me of Kants Golden Rule...but since I can't translate it correctly into english, I can't post it here.

What's the Golden Rule in German?  Our commonly accepted "Golden Rule" is: do unto others as you would have done unto you.  Is this a good translation?

[Chris_F]

I thought that we were having an intellectual, friendly debate. But as is the norm in today's society.

Sorry if I sound angry.  I posted before I had a chance to eat and I get crabby when I'm hungry.  My point remains the same though my choice of tone was unfortunately related to my low blood sugar level.

I'm all for intelectual, friendly debate.  Unfortunately I don't think I can voice my oppinion on the subject you broached without offending.  I've tried in the past and failed miserably.

[Felix/FFDS]

I don't believe that religion has any place in government or politics. I never discuss my political or religious leanings with anyone.

that's why the Anarchist Atheist Animist Democratic Socialist Party of the most Imperial Absolutist Populist God will rule the cosmos!

[Chris_F]

that's why the Anarchist Atheist Animist Democratic Socialist Party of the most Imperial Absolutist Populist God will rule the cosmos!

Great, another AAADSPIAPG political post.  This happens every 1374 years when the supreme vice chancelor of the cosmos position comes up for election.  The AAADSPIAPG (the red states) and the RMVTCPBVED (Religous Multidenominational Vegtable Totalitarian Capitalist Party of the least Balkanized Variable Elitist Devil, aka the blue states) square off to court your vote with incessant political ads, phone calls, and yes, chat room posts.

I'm a card carying RMVTCPBVED.  I hope we can expect your vote at our local polling chamber on Blargon-9 this Octember 53rd.

(That's got to be the weirdest post I've ever made).

[ATI_7500]

What's the Golden Rule in German?  Our commonly accepted "Golden Rule" is: do unto others as you would have done unto you.  Is this a good translation?

Yep.

[i]Was du nicht willst,das man dir tu', das f

[Paz]

What exactly is "cooties"?

 They may be "cooties" when you're a kid, later on they are called crabs.

[TacitBlue]

I blame the media blamers.

[Loafing Smurf]

[quote]

Yep.

[i]Was du nicht willst,das man dir tu', das f