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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Hagar » Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:36 am

You seem to have led a very sheltered life Ben. Nothing wrong with not swearing yourself but have you ever been sworn at? You might be in for a shock when you start work. Most of the young girls I meet swear like troopers. In fact they're worse than the average workman.
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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Saitek » Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:42 am

Oh yeah... I've been sworn at - but it makes me hate swearing even more. ::)
Yeah I heard that women can be worse then men. I think it depends where you work though. If one is a scaffolder than 2 in every 3 words is supposed to be a swearword or something... but I doubt in a chartered accountant's office they'd be much. That's where I seem to be heading in my studies anyway.
And anyway - just because others swear - won't make me! I mean just look at some of the stuff people write here... :o
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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Hagar » Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:50 am

If one is a scaffolder than 2 in every 3 words is supposed to be a swearword or something... but I doubt in a chartered accountant's office they'd be much.

You'd be surprised. Scaffolders are no worse than any other working people. Even the most "respectable" people swear. In my experience the more respectable they look, the more they swear. LOL ::) ;)

And anyway - just because others swear - won't make me!

That's fine with me. You stick to your principles.
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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Ben_M_K » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:03 am

I love Wal-Mart, I hate the fact that I can't buy the music I want there, you can buy 'R' rated movies though.


And M rated games for that matter. ::)
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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Ben_M_K » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:05 am

Well you will never catch me swearing and I'll have reached 18 by June next year and still I've never sworn once ever. That's right, never ever. :o ::) 8)
That'll certainly throw some of you guys on the floor in horror and as if people haven't starring at me enough in the recent threads. lol! ;D

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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Wing Nut » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:14 am

The idea is that swearing represents the lowest common denominator in life.  It is not the only thing that does that (reality TV is another), but it is one.  I swear a lot at work, because my work atmosphere is basically men and a certain attitude is prevalent in my industry.   But also, a work langiage and a home language have developed from this.  Where at work, a macho tough guy front is the norm, I rarely swear at home.

As for Wal-Mart, it's simply a matter of what I said before.  They try to put up a front that they want to protect children because it is fashionable.  Nothing more, and nothing less.
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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Chris_F » Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:07 pm

So WalMart bringing a few hundred jobs to one area is really affecting 1000's of jobs elsewhere.


Well, there's a lot to respond to in your post.  WalMart got to where they are today because they do the most important thing in retail better than anyone else: distribution.  They are masters of distribution and have earned their status simply based on that factor alone.

The economics of the situation are interesting and certainly there are winners and losers.  The argument that there are more losers than winners due to lost wages and lost jobs isn't all inclusive IMO.  The consumer gets a better deal, which makes for a lot of (admittedly small) winners.  Some desperately poor people in a land far away get a little money to make some goods which makes them a little less desperately poor.  Some (by contrast quite wealthy) Americans loose their jobs or take lower paying jobs.  All true.

But that's capitalism: free thinking people acting freely to persue their best interest.  Consumers seeking lower prices, producers seeking places to build their products at a low wage, retailers paying as little as possible for labor.  Winners and losers abound in that environment.  The net effect, however is a vastly better place for everyone.

The key to surviving the WalMart invasion is competition.  Yes, smaller retailers can survive when WalMart comes in to town.  How?  Well, you don't compete head to head with them on consumer goods.  Instead you offer products more tailored to your local customers, things which don't have enough appeal worldwide for WalMart to flex its distribution chain for.

For manufacturers the key is reducing costs.  And not labor costs.  Jobs move offshore because US manufacturers are incompetent.  Low labor cost is a pretence (though the execs at those companies don't know it).  The truth is that US labor can produce low cost goods at just as low a cost as those folks in low cost geographies.  How?  Simple.  The same way Sony, etc make bargin bin priced electronics in Japan (Japan's labor rate is similar or higher than it is in the 'States and Europe).

Consider this: typical costs for a manufacturing plant are 85% material, 5% labor, 10% other stuff.  Companies focus on that 5% and move stuff off shore.  Then they need to have more inventory (because now a bunch of inventory is in transit).  The labor rate goes down, but the material cost goes up.  The net is a lower cost.  But they COULD have kept the plant right were it was, and focused on reducing that 85% material cost.

That's why so many Japaneese automakers have plants in the US.  You don't need to build as many cars for the US market when you don't have to ship 'em across the Pacific.  The material cost goes down, and the automaker pockets the mountains of cash they saved on the transaction.  That's why Toyota (the masters of this kind of thing) has enough cash to BUY, that's right BUY General Motors.
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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Paz » Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:40 pm

 I love Wal-Mart....and I love to swear, especially the "F" word, I use it in almost every sentence, sometimes multiple times in the same sentence, I'm very creative that way.
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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby Craig. » Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:46 pm

Theres a good reason why some places choose to ban certain songs with a mature warning rather than the 18 or "M" videos. Music isnt restricted to age, the label is just a warning, as it suggests Mature warning, but any kid can go in and buy it without having to worry about age. Videos/games can be restricted by age and therefore are much easier to enforce. I dont think though that this warrents a lawsuit of anykind. Once again its lawsuit happy america, out for a quick buck. Personally i love walmart but i think it is rather silly of them to have this rule
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Re: Wal Mart sued for song lyrics...

Postby ATI_7500 » Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:47 pm

 I love Wal-Mart....and I love to swear, especially the "F" word, I use it in almost every sentence, sometimes multiple times in the same sentence, I'm very creative that way.


F*ck,that's f*ckin' cool man! ;D
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