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Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:39 pm

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Three years after its first test flight ended in an explosion, NASA on Saturday successfully launched an experimental jet designed to reach speeds approaching 5,000 mph.

The unpiloted X-43A made a 10-second powered flight, then went through some twists and turns during a six-minute glide before plunging into the Pacific Ocean about 400 miles off the California coast.

``Everything worked according to plan. It's been wonderful,'' NASA spokeswoman Leslie Williams said. ``I actually thought it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. We've been waiting a few years.''

It wasn't immediately clear what speed the needle-nosed jet achieved after it was boosted to about 3,500 mph by a rocket, Williams said.

The first X-43A flight ended in failure June 2, 2001, after the modified Pegasus rocket used to accelerate the plane veered off course and was detonated. An investigation board found preflight analyses failed to predict how the rocket would perform, leaving its control system unable to maintain stable flight.

NASA built the X-43A under a $250 million program to develop and test an exotic type of engine called a supersonic-combustion ramjet, or scramjet.

In theory, the air-breathing engine could propel an airplane to speeds of Mach 7 or faster, enabling around-the-world flights that would take several hours. The Department of Defense also is working on the technology, which it's eyeing for use in bombers that quickly could reach targets anywhere on the globe.

The 2,800-pound X-43A was mounted on a Pegasus rocket booster and carried to an altitude of 40,000 feet by a modified B-52 bomber, which took off from Edwards Air Force Base in the high desert.

A few seconds after the craft was dropped, the rocket flared, sending the jet skyward on a streak of flame and light. At about 100,000 feet, the rocket dropped away.

The scramjet took over, using up about two pounds of gaseous hydrogen fuel before gliding. Applause rang out in the control center at Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards.

Technological hurdles mean it will be decades before such a plane could enter service. And NASA's role in developing the technology remains in doubt, as the agency recently cut funding for more advanced versions of the X-43A.

Engineers have pursued scramjet technology because it could allow rocket-speed travel but with considerable savings in weight. Rockets must carry their own oxygen to combust the fuel they carry aboard; scramjets can scoop it out of the atmosphere.

In scramjets, oxygen is rammed into a combustion chamber where it mixes with fuel and spontaneously ignites. To work, the engine must be traveling at about five times the speed of sound - requiring an initial boost that only a rocket can provide.

A third X-43A could fly as early as the fall.


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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby denishc » Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:13 pm

 Lets see, at 5000 mph for 10 seconds that equals $25 million per second!!  Man, for that price I hope a trip on a scramjet comes with an in-flight meal!

 But seriously, got any photos?

 
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:15 pm

Yeah, let me go find them.....
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:17 am

Here is the captive takeoff being carried aloft by the Buff. Pegasus is the large rocket atttched to the Buff used to boost the model up to mach 5 and FL100 where it breaks off and the model continues on under it's scramjet. Hyper-X is the small black model attached to the Pegasus's nose:
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Arrival at NASA
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Moments after release:
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Moments after ignition:
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If you have Slowtime Quicktime, you can wach the 2001 launch vids here:
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Pretty worthless today though, as the entire world wants to see NASA's site, so it is running slower than Avsim was.
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby Omag 2.0 » Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:25 am

Awsome isn't it? I just saw it launched on CNN. Man it packs a punch.

I heard it would be able to go at mach 10 theoratically, but won't be tried ... just yet.

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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby Fozzer » Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:33 am

Just heard it on the news...!
Blimey...!
Just imagine flying from London to New York at seven times the speed of sound with your eye-balls pinned to the back of your skull, your lungs wrapped around your spine, your weener where your arse should be, and your arms and legs burried in the foam at the back of the seat.... :o....!

..."Would Sir like a cup of coffee before we land in three seconds time...?...!

...I don't think so... ;)...!

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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby Hagar » Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:47 am

It occurs to me that this is simply a V1 Doodlebug on steroids. Can someone explain its practical uses for civil transport. The "SCRAMJET" is air-breathing & needs boosting to a certain speed before it will function. It would obviously be no use in space.  ::)

PS. I'm not knocking NASA or anyone involved. The basic pulse jet/ramjet principle has been known for decades. I simply can't see any practical use for it.
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:55 am

Please tell me you are joking Hagar. :o :'(
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby Hagar » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:08 am

Please tell me you are joking Hagar. :o :'(

No, I'm quite serious. I've wondered about this ever since I first heard about this project. The Fieseler Fi 103 or V1 "Doodlebug" was powered by a basic pulse jet engine back in WWII. I've seen R/C model aircraft powered by ramjet engines. These are banned in most countries as they're very dangerous. Theoretically, the faster they go - the faster they go. The only way to control them is to cut off the fuel supply.

Pulse jets/Ram Jets are all much the same. They aren't efficient at low speeds & don't have enough power to take off from the ground. They need boosting to a certain speed before they will work. This idea seems to work on much the same principle but the speeds involved are much higher.

It might be fine for some military purpose but I can't see any practical application for civil transport.
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:16 am

#1 Stop calling it a ram/pulse; this is a Scramjet, a whole different ballgame than a ramjet and a whole world away from pulsejets. The Scram is special because it is the only engine where the airflow inside the engine is going at high sonic speeds. That doesn't happen in ram's, pulse's, or pure jets for that matter. This means that the aircraft's speed is regulated by amount of force the airframe can take, not how much ducting it takes to slow the airflow down for the engine. The scram has taken decades of engineering to get it to work. This is a huge breakthrough.

#2: How would you stop a bomber going mach 6-8? You can figure this one out I'm sure. Even if they had warning stations a hundred miles away, it would still be too late.

#3: It isn't intended for space, BUT, one of the potential applications for a scram is for a replacement for the shuttles earth atmosphere engines or the power for a whole new generation of shuttles. This is the first step toward high altitude intercontinental and multicontinental hypersonic transports for cargo and people. They would probably have jet engines along with scramjets which would kick in one it got up to about the speed of sound. Remember our brilliant piece of engineering called the YF-12/SR-71? It's got scrams.

#4: A scram is also very usefull in the fact that there are no moving parts in it, a mintenance wizz. Hardly anything to fail either, which would help bring the aviation industry closer to that magical smaller accident rate. It doesn't weigh hardly anything either with the reduced equipment load, thereby increasing payload.

It takes "baby steps" hagar, it takes time.
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby Hagar » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:19 am

Time will tell. I ain't getting excited just yet. ::)
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:37 am

Like it or not, this is the future of intercontinental travel, its just a matter of time. ::) :P :)
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby Hagar » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:50 am

Like it or not, this is the future of intercontinental travel, its just a matter of time. ::) :P :)

They said the same thing about Concorde back when I was a mere lad.

Did you ever hear the term HOTOL? http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/6133/hotol.html
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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby Fozzer » Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:13 am

..as a mere delicately designed human being, I always have a in-built fear of being accelerated, or decelerated, in a public transport vehicle, or whatever, involving G-forces guaranteed to cause great dis-comfort, or even my untimely death.
...rather like being fired out of a cannon without a parachute... ::)...!

I'm all in favour of starting off gradually and slowing down gradually.
The bit in between I hope the designers will get right, and I will survive the journey... ;)...!

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Re: Ahhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! It flies at mach 6!

Postby IcedFoxtrotter » Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:23 am

Yes, I can see why you are leary Hagar. That idea of HOTOL is gay. :o :-/

Except for the fact that this has made it way beyond the drawing board stage. 8)
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