Another Warning!

[Politically Incorrect]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story. ... 787103.htm

You can plainly tell by the first words in the quote that even the airline industry has fears for it's exsitance. She had to make it clear it wasn't a security threat.
I bet that isn't how those passengers felt when the smell of smoke made it's way through the cabin.
They were all probably freaking out! And the reason for "freaking", can be put on the onslaught of media attention and "warnings" that are given everyday.
Everytime someone on board a plane sneezes, people are going to "jump"!
So I'll say it again as I have many times here before:
The terrorists have accomplished their main goal, to instill fear in the minds of everyone!

[Hagar]

Just about the same thing I was trying to say above!
I think I'll start sending my postings too you for editing!
You can make the point without so many words, whereas I can write for days without making myself clear

LOL I was simply repeating your very valid point in my own way - just in case anyone didn't get the message. It's extremely difficult to get that across & everyone seems to be missing the point. We should be shouting it from the rooftops at every opportunity, not giving into these people who want to destroy the very fabric of our society. It seems to me that they're doing pretty well so far.

Please don't let me stop you saying what you think in your own unique way.

[Craig.]

Hagar, Never have i thought these terrorists were stupid, with recent recording releases, it shows they were alot smarter than people wanted to believe. The Hijackings were no doubt not only planned for months if not years, but there was a good chance somewhere, they had either a mock up of some planes, to work on tactics, or even an abandoned plane to find the weak spots. One worry should this ever be attempted again is passenger intervention, while it may help to an extent, if there is an air marshall on board, their automatic response is to fire on a hijacker, there is no other option, so should a group of passengers try to jump on a hijacker, there is a very good chance someone is going to get shot who is only trying to help.
I dont know, when and where the next attempt could come from, Cruise ships could be a target, we saw what happend to that navy ship which was the target of a small boat, and look at the damage there.
Trains, while the overall damage would be limited, it would still be a blow.

[Politically Incorrect]

We should be shouting it from the rooftops at every opportunity, not giving into these people who want to destroy the very fabric of our society. It seems to me that they're doing pretty well so far.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

I know how about every passenger who makes it pass security be required too take a mandatory class in tactical ops? That way no Air Marshal would be needed!
But the downfall is you will have to arrive at the airport at least a week in advance of departure!

[Hagar]

Craig. I'm prepared to take my chance with terrorists & weirdos. I feel there is more likelihood of me being run over outside my home than any harm from them. We have been at risk of being blown up by some group or other for more years than I care to remember. This has never made me afraid to carry on my life as I wish or be scared of my own shadow.

Right now I'm more scared of these sky marshals & other measures being taken to "protect" me from them than the terrorists themselves. This makes me very reluctant to board an airliner ever again. If someone like me who has spent his whole life in the industry can say this how do you think Joe Public feels about it?

[Craig.]

how bout we replace the seat back phones with guns. that way at least one person on board has gotta stand a chance
seriously though simple improvements at security checkpoints should be all that is required. That way there would be no reason to cancel flights, no reason to keep issuing these warnings.
Incase some of you didnt, know, at least 8 of the 9/11 hijackers were stopped at security checkpoints, with their bags being checked. However these bags were only checked for explosive devices and they failed to pick up the mace and the knives. Go figure

Personally i am not afraid to board a plane, and i refuse to let these guys win, i stepped on a plane just weeks after sept 11th, even with the airline offering extended ticket for free. Personally i would be first in-line to stop an attemped hijacking should it ever happen, However i am expecting to be hit by lightning first:) My dream is to fly for a living and no way am i letting these people stop that happening.

[Hagar]

how bout we replace the seat back phones with guns. that way at least one person on board has gotta stand a chance
seriously though simple improvements at security checkpoints should be all that is required. That way there would be no reason to cancel flights, no reason to keep issuing these warnings.

LOL You're right there. Guns are the solution to everything. Not.........!
I don't know if you've seen BALPA's position on sky marshals. This has not changed since it was first proposed. (For anyone who doesn't know BALPA is the British Airline Pilot's Association.)
http://www.balpa.org/intranet/BALPA--Sec/public--brief-psm.doc_cvt.htm

What BALPA is saying about Police Sky Marshals
.......

BALPA does not support armed sky marshals although, as professionals, we will work to make their deployment as risk free as possible.

BALPA believes we need to focus on the many stages before a terrorist gets near an aircraft. Sky marshals could give a false sense of security and may lull us into dropping our guard.

BALPA believes that international consensus is needed to improve security, not unilateral action by one state irrespective of the cultures, traditions and security record of others.

[Craig.]

They could just handcuff every passenger to their seat. Should they need to use the Toilet a flight attendant will accompany eash person to the bathroom, where a passenger will be given a certain amount of time before the alarm is raised

[Hagar]

They could just handcuff every passenger to their seat. Should they need to use the Toilet a flight attendant will accompany eash person to the bathroom, where a passenger will be given a certain amount of time before the alarm is raised

No thanks. I would rather use surface transport or not travel at all.

Unfortunately I suspect I'm not alone. This is the whole point of Fret's topic.

[Politically Incorrect]

My dream is to fly for a living and no way am i letting these people stop that happening.

That is my dream also one I have had since I was a child but didn't take action on it until last year.
But at the rate this security crap is going, it will end up being just that, A DREAM!

[Hagar]

That is my dream also one I have had since I was a child but didn't take action on it until last year.
But at the rate this security crap is going, it will end up being just that, A DREAM!

This is only a very small example but there is a company just down the road from me that relies on the airline industry for its very existence. I worked for that company for 35 years & my brother & his wife still do. We built it up from 4 people including the boss when I started in 1962 into a successful international business employing over 100 people today in Britain, Canada, Singapore & the US. Many of these people are my friends. If things carry on like they are for much longer I fear they will all be out of a job.

[Politically Incorrect]

It is like a "domino effect"
The Government thinks it is helping matters but in fact it is slowly making matters worse!
With all the security hassels people will soon stop flying.
Airlines will be forced too shut down- jobs loss
People who depend on airlines too get their goods from one place too another will have too find other means (ships,trucks)
Which in turn means they will raise the cost of delivering those goods.
People will stop paying the high prices (this also hurts the import/export trade) which will mean shipping and trucking companies will no longer have business- job loss
People with goods will have no way to deliver them, forced too close- job loss
No one has any jobs, no money to buy goods!

It equals total worldwide economic breakdown!!

POINT- It is a chain reaction that will effect every living soul on this planet!
So it not only effects "flying" in general it is far more broad than that!!

[Politically Incorrect]

It equals total worldwide economic breakdown!!

WHEW!!! Took allot of energy too come up with that

[Woodlouse2002]

I guess that would depend.
Think about it a Lear+1lb C4 explosives+ nuclear power plant= ?

Nuclear power plants are built to practically withstand anything short of a nuclear explosion. I have seen video footage of them testing a section of wall thats used on nuclear power plants. What they did was fly a plane into it at 600mph. The plane atomised completely apart from the wingtips that went either side of the wall. 1lb of C4 won't make a dent.

Trains, while the overall damage would be limited, it would still be a blow.

I've often thought about how easy it would be for a terrorist to bomb a train. And I am suprised no one has done it. With a big enought bomb you could destroy a train and all the track it was sitting on at the time. Talk about disruption if its a mainline service.


I think cruise ships are an unlikely target. You'd need quite a lot of explosives to sink one and even then, it won't be too much of a disaster inless it sinks extremely fast an no one survives. Which is unlikely inless you have a very big bomb.

[Hagar]

I suspect this was the whole motive behind 9/11. Terrible as that was the effects go much deeper. I really don't think the people behind it expected the destruction to be as complete as it turned out & this must have exceeded their wildest dreams. The immediate effect on the airline industry was disastrous but although some companies fell by the wayside it was starting to recover. Recent events have combined to make its long-term survival much worse. I'm not exaggerating when I say that playing the game the way these people planned is the most serious threat I've seen to our way of life during my lifetime.