OH NO The Recording Industry is at it again.

[Hagar]

I never knew why offensive words would be necessary or regarded as acceptable anyway. Not my idea of music.

[Craig.]

Its angry music Mr Hagar . For all us parent hating teens mad at the world, for being the cause of all our problems:)

[Hagar]

Its angry music Mr Hagar . For all us parent hating teens mad at the world, for being the cause of all our problems:)

You might find it hard to believe young Craig but I was like you once.
In fact my generation was the first to be called teenagers. The rock & roll generation, Swinging Sixties & all that. My parents never understood my music either but apart from that they couldn't object to it. We didn't need to be offensive or use foul language to be different or protest. I never understood how music came to be associated with violence.

[Politically Incorrect]

This all started in the '80's Thanks to Tipper Gore and the PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center).
It was a group of ladies (with husbands in power, Al Gore ex-vice pres.) who were easily offended by lyrics in songs and took it upon thierselves to destroy the music industry.
The only thing that came out of it is the Advisory Labels (Contains Explicit Lyrics).
I don't know but it sounds like this is only here in the US. But you must be 18 to by a CD with the "Label" on it.  At the check out at WalMart and other stores you must present ID proving your age. I get carded more for buying CD's than I ever did for beer or cigarettes!! I'm 35! LOL!!
I no longer shop at the stores that support censorship! and that is exactly what it is!
But the edited CD's are the same recordings with bells, whistles and most of the time empty spaces where the "foul " language may be, anything to cover the offensive.
And yes they charge the same price for these slaughtered CD's!!!
Kmart offers the choice of the edited and unedited to please all ages, WalMart on the other hand wishes to kiss the asses of the censorship minded politicians and only offer edited versions.
That is why it is funny that you can buy rated R movies (which now days is pretty darn close to porn!) Rated M video games, but not a CD with a few foul words. It just doesn't make any sense!!!
Maybe the suits higher up think that music will make more of a impression on a young mind?
Of course though we are talking about the same retail chain that will also ask me for my ID to buy a can spray paint! We owe that to the fools who like to huff it!!

[Craig.]

The problem is the main area of popular music these days. While most people here claim to hate rap, its become huge, but look at its background, gang wars, murder, drugs and violence, and most of these rappers promote what they do in their songs, sadly some kids these days lack that thing we call common sense, and dont understand that copying what these guy do is wrong. Next look at society as a whole, can you honestly say its like it was when you were a kid? i hear back then you could leave your doors open without having to worry to much. These days i dont leave my door open when i home, as something would likely walk out the door. Society seems to go with music(or maybe its the other way round) just listen to some of this stuff and look at how much it is like todays youth. Respect and responsability is no more.

[Hagar]

This all started in the '80's Thanks to Tipper Gore and the PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center).
It was a group of ladies (with husbands in power, Al Gore ex-vice pres.) who were easily offended by lyrics in songs and took it upon thierselves to destroy the music industry.
The only thing that came out of it is the Advisory Labels (Contains Explicit Lyrics).
I don't know but it sounds like this is only here in the US.

Never heard of it. Not that I would buy any of this crap anyway but I've never been asked for an ID in a record shop in my life. Mind you, we don't have ID cards here either.

I wouldn't just edit some of the foul rubbish (incorrectly called music) that I've had the misfortune of hearing. I'd ban it. LOL

[Hagar]

Next look at society as a whole, can you honestly say its like it was when you were a kid? i hear back then you could leave your doors open without having to worry to much. These days i dont leave my door open when i home, as something would likely walk out the door.

Yes, we could do all those things & more. What went wrong? I know the answer as it's my generation's fault for standing by & allowing it to happen.

Society seems to go with music(or maybe its the other way round) just listen to some of this stuff and look at how much it is like todays youth. Respect and responsability is no more.

This is a very good question. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? I suspect the "music" (or the acceptance of it) has a lot more to do with it than people think.

[Craig.]

its all about rebeling basically, and thanks to those stupid groups parents arnt allowed to discipline their kids to any extent, and since parents are supposed to be seen as the ultimate authority, if kids have no respect there, imagine what that does to their respect for the police.
Music is one of the oldest forms of entertainment, its still held by many as the best form of entertainment, the radio stations of today have total control over what people get to hear, which means if it makes them money t doesnt matter the effect it has on listeners.

[Politically Incorrect]

Never heard of it. Not that I would buy any of this crap anyway but I've never been asked for an ID in a record shop in my life. Mind you, we don't have ID cards here either.

I wouldn't just edit some of the foul rubbish (incorrectly called music) that I've had the misfortune of hearing. I'd ban it. LOL

By ID cards I mean some form of identification (drivers liscence)
But it isn't just rock, rap etc. The PMRC tried to get labels put on John Denver albums! They said Rocky Mountain High, was a song about smoking pot, Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds was long for (LSD, acid) anything they deemed offensive (or more like anything they didn't like) should have been banned but like I stated they only succeded in getting labels put on them instead.
I also forgot to mention that the PMRC was also comprised of religious leaders also.
But the main problem with them would be they would look at the title or a line in a song and come to the conclusion from that, they wouldn't listen to the whole song to find the meaning or story behind it. And they started when Heavy Metal was at its peak, and a majority of the albums didn't contain foul language. But song titles like Suicide Solution (Ozzy) would immediately raise a red flag (and a lawsuit against Ozzy). They claimed that children would hear this song and want to commit suicide but if they were to really pay attention to the lyrics all the way through instead of just the title they would have realized the song isn't about killing yourself or how to do it!
But the point is that this whole process of labeling and edited cd's spawned from the PMRC and not only because of foul words but because a group of people think they have the right to tell everyone what they can or cannot listen to or buy! Or that what they might find offensive (this word pops up everywhere her now!) should be offensive to everyone and shouldn't be allowed.

[Hagar]

You hit the nail right on the head there. A little word named "Respect". It's used a lot in slang but there's not too much of it around these days.

I never once swore in front of my parents, my wife or my daughter. I respected them far too much for that & I'm proud of it. How many of you youngsters today would be able to say that? The last thing I or my brother (& all our friends however rough they were) would ever think of would be to let our parents down. I've heard kids in the local infant school playground using foul words I would think twice about using, even now. Some of their parents swear at them & think nothing of walking around the school in T-shirts with the words "F** You" on them.

[Hagar]

Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds was long for (LSD, acid)

I was never in favour of censorship but I think there is good reason to believe there is some truth in that.

[Politically Incorrect]

Yes, we could do all those things & more. What went wrong? I know the answer as it's my generation's fault for standing by & allowing it to happen.

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No Hagar I wouldn't put the blame on your generation at all.
I think what CraigL said has allot to do with the way things are today.

" parents arnt allowed to discipline their kids to any extent,"

This is so true!! If you spank your kid for misbehaving you could go to jail, and lose your kids!
And as far as respect there is none! And that is the main problem  no disipline=no respect!
I don't think music really is to blame for any of it!
If they have respect for themselves, others and thier parents then listening to music, seeing violence in movies, etc, won't make them behave in the same manor protrayed in thier choice of entertainment.

[Politically Incorrect]

I was never in favour of censorship but I think there is good reason to believe there is some truth in that.

To be honest I'm still undecided on that too!  :)

[Hagar]

[quote]No Hagar I wouldn't put the blame on your generation at all.
I think what CraigL said has allot to do with the way things are today.

" parents arnt allowed to discipline their kids to any extent,"

This is so true!! If you spank your kid for misbehaving you could go to jail, and lose your kids!
And as far as respect there is none! And that is the main problem

[Politically Incorrect]

This may seem like a odd question, is Katahu  under 20 years of age?
If so I just noticed that some of the most heated debates and the most intelligent conversations( the pot topic comes to mind) and topics with high interest and that everyone here can add thier "two cents" worth, that have taken place on this forum have been topics started by the "kids"!!
So maybe there is some hope in the future?  ;)