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Postby Craig. » Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:19 pm

Ok Mods please feel free to lock this at your choosing.

but as an addition to my Too far post, this is the latest in the long line of new security "upgrades"::)
and i know its been mentioned in the past but now its actually being implemented.
and to be honest with ya, i am going to be looking at Canada now as an option for college, its becoming too much of a hassle to go to the US for it to be worth it anymore.
Security in the air is again dominating in the United States. Every passenger boarding an aircraft is to be given a colour coding to match their perceived threat level to airline security.

The Bush administration is set to introduce the "red means stop and green means go system" later this year despite strong opposition from US airlines.

From Washington, John Shovelan reports the system will require airlines to hand over personal details of passengers and their bookings lists which will be then checked against terrorist watch lists.

JOHN SHOVELAN: The new screening system will assess all passengers passing through US airports. Each passenger's name, address, telephone number and other personal details will be matched against databases. Passengers will then be given a score and classified green, red or orange.

If the traveller represents no threat they'll be classified green. Orange would mean further scrutiny and perhaps increased surveillance and red would mean the travellers wouldn't be allowed to board.

Lara Flint, a lawyer with Washington's Centre for Democracy and Technology, says airlines are reluctant to participate in the program because they're concerned about the adverse publicity they will receive after handing over the personal information of all of their customers.

LARA FLINT: The program would require that passengers provide additional information when they book an airline ticket within the US and then that information would be run against some commercial databases that are held by American companies that have all kinds of information about most folks who have credit cards and use them here in the States, and determine whether that person actually is who they say they are.

Their names would also then be run against government watch lists and some sort of risk assessment would be done. It's a little unclear how this would work, based on government data, to determine whether that person is a risk to airline security in any way.

Part of the problem of course is that we don't have a very good understanding of what government data would be relied upon, how this risk assessment would be done, and how someone would contest that, you know, they're not a risk if they were determined to be.

JOHN SHOVELAN: One of the other issues is this idea that you'll get a numerical score, which will go with a colour code.

LARA FLINT: Hmm hmm.

JOHN SHOVELAN: Exactly how would that work? I assume green would mean you would get a very high mark.

LARA FLINT: The numbered code and the colour might vary from day to day depending on how high the government viewed the risk that day at that airport. The TSA (Transportation Security Administration) officials actually in the airports would only get back a colour. Now someone's got to decide of course what colour someone is, but I think that at least for the TSA officials in the airports there would be not be much in terms of discretion.

JOHN SHOVELAN: Foreign airlines flying into the United States are being pressured to provide details of all their passengers as well. Another program will be introduced to allow frequent flyers to pass quickly through security lines, so long as they provide their personal details ahead of time to the government.
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby denishc » Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:57 pm

 Color me blue!
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Katahu » Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:56 pm

Black is my favorite color. ;D
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Hagar » Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:28 am

Meanwhile - back in the real world. This doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

Airport probe after terror arrest

Investigations have been launched on both sides of the Atlantic after a man was stopped at Heathrow Airport allegedly carrying bullets in his coat.
The 45-year-old Sudanese man, who flew to Heathrow from Washington DC's Dulles Airport on Wednesday morning, is being held in London under the Terrorism Act.

He was picked up by routine checks as he waited for a connection to Dubai.

The US Government says records from Dulles are being checked to see how he was able to board a flight there.

The investigation is being carried out by the Transport Security Administration (TSA), the US agency responsible for airport security.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3398181.stm

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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Politically Incorrect » Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:43 am

If you ask me, these "incidents" are becoming more frequent since they have tried forceing higher security measures. That or because everyone is so scared the media deems it necessary to add fuel to the fire!
You go into a airport today and are surrounded with military carring weapons looking at you as if your a target and then they have these "rent a cops" molesting you sure they will uncover your devious plane to bring down a plane. When was the last time you heard of anyone killing people with nail clippers?
I think the Aviation industry needs to grow a spine and stand up to these rediculious means of "protecting" people! They are facing major financial problems if the Government is allowed to keep forcing the security checks on passengers, people no longer will fly not because of fear but because of shear inconvienance!!! The reason people fly is because of the speed to get to the destination. But that is blowen out the window when you have to get to the airport a few hours before your flight, be fondled by a bunch of people who have recived "temporary power and importance" and then wait for the same thing for every other passenger. To then finally board the plane to have your flight held because of a "unruly" passenger because he dared to speak is mind about all the bull one must endure before a flight to a stewardess who took his tone of voice threatening. Just to have the whole process start over again!!!!!!
In the end you'll find you'll save time and money driving to your destination.
They need to go back to hiring personel that will pay attention, walk through the damn metal detector board your plane and get to your destination.
That policy worked for years with very few tragic outcomes!
I think if there was away to get every traveler to go on "strike" for one day , everyone would see a major change in  this security crap!!!!! The Airline industry would loose millions of dollars!!!!!!! And then maybe make a stand for itself! of course that would be dreaming to think that every person who depends on flying to miss a day of work!! But that would solve the problem if customers would just not fly!! all it would take is ONE DAY!
So what do you say? Want to take a day off from work? :)

P.s. CraigL , this isn't the type of hostility post you were talking about is it? If so sorry!! But stupidity such as this pisses me off something fearce!! :)
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Craig. » Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:03 am

lol no it isnt the hostility i was talking about:)
Personally i think there is a place for these topics as long as they dont get too out of hand.
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Hagar » Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:19 am

I personally feel that all this is based on a fallacy. The 9/11 attacks had been well planned in advance & took advantage of the lax security at US airports at that time. These were not international flights with the usual metal detectors & other security measures (however lax these might have been) already in place. They were internal flights where security at the time was almost non-existent. On several holidays to the US in those happier days I never felt that security, even on international flights, was taken too seriously. I've been on internal flights within the US & simply walked onto the plane after producing my boarding pass - just
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Craig. » Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:31 am

having had to deal with US secuirty both before, and also 2 weeks after 9/11 i can say i felt safer with the security they had immediatly after, it was through but not not ridiculous, and it only added a 5 minute wait to security. However a few months later, the security was shall we say less, but took almost 40 minutes longer.
Pre 9/11 yes security was lax, my ex, came to the gate during my summer visit, and her dad said at the gate,better hide that gun in your purse, yet the security just laughed it off.
add to that i went through boston that same trip, because of poor directions i couldnt find check-in i had to go through the security check point 3 times, and not once was i questioned as to why i had passed through 3 times.
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Oso » Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:42 pm

Anyone here know the literal translation for the full name of the Gestapo? I think it comes out very similar in meaning as the "Homeland Security".

Homeland Security is the first American agency who's intended purpose is to spy on Americans. Same as the Gestapo, KGB and many others. Along with restriction of travel and travel documents (of a fashion) it is starting to look a lot like 1930s Germany around here. I do not think Washington realizes the terrible power they have unchained. No one pays attention to history anymore, they are too busy teaching PC in the schools.

I always thought that if we lost our freedom they would sell it. But Hell, they are too eager to just give it away.
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Craig. » Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:59 pm

i wanna know where the money is going to come from.
this will kill tourism, a huge source of money for the economy, it brings money in taxes, it brings millions of jobs, all these will be gone. Good news to those who wanna visit Disney world, lines will be gone:)
but with all this spending the country might be  broke shortly.
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Re: LOL whats next

Postby Politically Incorrect » Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:09 pm

Anyone here know the literal translation for the full name of the Gestapo? I think it comes out very similar in meaning as the "Homeland Security".

Homeland Security is the first American agency who's intended purpose is to spy on Americans. Same as the Gestapo, KGB and many others. Along with restriction of travel and travel documents (of a fashion) it is starting to look a lot like 1930s Germany around here. I do not think Washington realizes the terrible power they have unchained. No one pays attention to history anymore, they are too busy teaching PC in the schools.

I always thought that if we lost our freedom they would sell it. But Hell, they are too eager to just give it away.


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