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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Craig. » Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:56 pm

you got in trouble for mentioning politics in class ozzy?
good lord any time it was parents evening my form tutor and my mom would spend 2 minutes talking about my grades, then the next 20 were spent on politics, and also english lit but thats because he was also my english teacher. but it always ended with my mom complaining it wasnt discussed enough.
i just sat at the back of the room staring out the window, deciding if it was worth risking the 100 foot drop to get out of there:)
he was a pretty cool teacher aswell in a sense we all agreed any arguments, trouble or whatever would be forgotten at the end of the lesson, there would be no mention of it next lesson no hard feelings nothing.
something like that in a specialised forum might work
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Paz » Fri Sep 19, 2003 2:00 pm

 Oh man, I gotta get in on this one!

Do you feel that we, collectively, are intelligent and mature enough to discuss issues that actually mean something?


 No...not collectively, there are some individuals here who would fair very well in an intellectual debate on hot topics.
 It takes a certain type of person to express their views and accept the criticism of others, while at the same time constructively arguing your views of someone elses beliefs, without the arguement becoming heated.
 I have found that most often a little switch gets clicked on in a lot of people that instantly turns a heated discussion into personal attack, there are misunderstandings and misinterpitations and soon we have a brawl.

 You probably know who you can discuss things of this nature with and perhaps there is a better place to do this than here at SimV.

Because the time in antarctica is of importance, right?  (Sorry Paz...it was a great thread, I mean that!)


 I was just wonderin', I never expected that thread to become what it has!

I see your point Scott, there are many topics I would like to discuss but don't because of the rules Pete set about the political topics.


 I totally agree with this, We have to remember we are guests here, and I think Pete let's us get away with quite a bit already, and I have to add that I don't think SimV would be a cool as it is if we were to allow a lot of hot topics to be discussed, there would be the danger of this forum turning into the name-calling-free-for-all that keeps me away from most other message boards and especially chat rooms.

Scott, you are in luck. Check out http://www3.sympatico.ca/lisa-devonlesl ... OfTheSane/ this is a flightsimulator enthusiast forum for discussing politics and current events. It opened a week or two ago  

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 Well now, there you go.

I'm going to spend the rest of the day trying to decide whether or not I want to sacrifice the friendships (albeit virtual) I've made with so many of you in the past few months for the sake of being allowed to be my opinionated self.


 You don't have to give up anything, you should check out the link Ozzy posted, there is no reason you can't go see if that is what you are looking for, a forum to discuss your views on more serious issues, if you found it to be a suitable place with the proper maturity level to debate hot topics, you could let us know by personal or public message, you never know, maybe some of us here would even go there and join you on some of the topics not allowed here.
No one has to give up SimV to join other forums, I go to a lot of other forums for information, but I have found a home base here at SimV.

That way, you can still come to this forum and share your questions and thoughts about FS and things that are allowed!


 Exactly, you don't have to give up the friendships you have developed here, you're cool with us.

 
but the moderators should have the responsibility to use some good judgement.  Pete obviously believes they've got it.


 See, that's kind of an attack right there.
The moderators just try to stop things before they get out of hand, and I think there are times when we all have been allowed to cross the line in one way or another.

.  If you don't want to hear about it, don't read the threads about those topics!


 All forms of media would be so much cooler if everyone could live by this philosophy, no one would ever have anything to bitch about, if you don't like the show,don't watch it, if you don't like the song, change the station, unfortunetly it doesn't usually work that way and everytime some one sees or hears something they don't like, the next thing you know, it's banned or restricted or shutdown.
 I am not easily offended, and I believe everyone should have access to whatever they want, but someone is always going to complain therefore making it difficult for me to easily obtain the things I may find interesting.

So you have to respect Pete (he is the Guv'nor), and his wishes for the site


 There you go, this is Pete's forum, and he has made it clear to his moderators what is not allowed, you have to respect that, and find another place for those discussions, but you never have to stop coming to SimV.
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Scottler » Fri Sep 19, 2003 2:04 pm

Twasn't an attack at all, Paz.  It was meant as the question it was presented as.  Shouldn't they?

Can we just let this topic get erased now??  lol
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby pete » Fri Sep 19, 2003 2:48 pm

Hi Scott,

I fully admit what the 'no politics' thing amounts to is a certain restriction of expression - & what you are saying is that you can't be yourself - you feel, you have to live in the surface - gag yourself effectively .. (?)

The thing is that we didn't have this policy before & the place was just no fun at all.

I used to hate forums because every time I ever tried asking a well intended question I would be laughed at & mocked by the nerdheads that hung out there..... I became convinced forums were places where greasepots with no lives hung out & they got their own back on the human race by having the shield of cyberspace & they could become the bullies they couldn't be in real life.  

I've always tried to create simviation to give people fun & happiness. This is no wishy washy airheaded thing - it has stemmed from the early days when I discovered people were getting real enjoyment by what they were finding on our site. I have a file full of stories - from people who have been wheelchair bound - folk with terminal illnesses - kids who have gone on to real flight training - dads & sons brought together - the list goes on.

When it comes to 'politics' - there are a lot of people out there who will go awol if you start talking politics. We all know 'politics' causes the deaths of millions of people in the real world. Wars alone are politics. One persons political passion is another persons reason to kill him. Most people DON'T think this way - but the point is it's a spectrum of feelings. Some white hot. Others as soft as a feather. That's the point ..

I don't want to know your politics any more than I want to know your sexual fantasies. It's your business. If I knew it I might not like you any more  ;D  8)

Do I really have to say more?

& as a footnote - this thread DOES indeed seem to have settled down nicely  8)  :D
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Oso » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:28 pm

I mean no disrespect by starting this thread, and if anyone with the means to do so believes that I do, then by all means, erase the entire thing.


We know that Hyp. No one is upset nor should you be. And I do not believe you are.

I get your point. I just do not agree with it. Whether or not Pete's forum, I still agree with his point.

I come here to get away from that which you are proposing.


any more than I want to know your sexual fantasies.


You sure Pete? I got some great ones!  Very entertaining. ;) ;D
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Hagar » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:42 pm

I come here to get away from that which you are proposing.

Well said Oso.

Hype. I also get your point & nothing in this thread offended me in the slightest. If nothing else, it does prove that some of us are smart enough to discuss these things sensibly if we wished to do so. Pete said it all really so I guess there's no more to add.

there are some individuals here who would fair very well in an intellectual debate on hot topics.  

I'm not sure if Paz was referring to me here.  ::)
I know I'm an old gasbag who likes nothing more than adding my two penn'orth to any subject under the sun, except politics & religion. :P ;D
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:18 pm

...just as a matter of interest... ;)...!
I have the California E-Mail Newspaper KRON 4 delivered to me every day....

http://www.kron4.com

They used to have a Forum on there, of which I was a member wishing to know more about the San Francisco Bay area in a light-hearted, informative way.... 8)...!
BUT...
At the start of the Iraqi War, (not to mention the death of Laci Peterson), the to-ing and fro-ing between the yes's and the no's regarding the war, etc, developed into such a horrendous flame war, (which frightened me!),  that the site finally had to close the Forum down, (thank goodness)... ::)...!

I have various views on Politics and Religion, but I keep them in my shed at the bottom of my garden, together with the sheep, if at all possible... ;D...!
And if they should surface from time-to-time I use LOTS and LOTS of "Smilies" to accompany them... ;D...!

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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby pete » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:39 pm

[quote]You sure Pete? I got some great ones!
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Scottler » Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:10 pm

Nah, I'm not at all upset about it.  In fact, I'm very proud of all of you for keeping this topic at the level of intelligent banter I have come to expect from my fellow SimV'ers.  You should all be applauded, but if I just start clapping at my computer, Sarah will have the confirmation she needs to have me committed.

Also typical of SimV, the thread went from my question to sexual fantasies...somehow that involve sheep.  That's about right.  lol   ;)
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:25 pm

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Also typical of SimV, the thread went from my question to sexual fantasies...somehow that involve sheep.
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Wing Nut » Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:58 pm

Fozzer, have you been a baaaa-d boy again?  I thought we had that little talk... ::)
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Scottler » Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:47 pm

Pip, I may not have been here very long, but one thing I've learned about Fozzer is that he's always doing things to warrant a spanking.  Don't fall into his dirty lil trap.  lol
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Paz » Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:15 pm

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I'm not sure if Paz was referring to me here.
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Scottler » Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:25 pm

Paz, admit it.  I'm right and you're wrong.

Sorry dude, you were begging for it.
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Re: Are we smart enough?

Postby Redwing » Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:35 pm

Good thread! :)

Hyperion wrote (somewhere):
I'm the least politically correct person you'll probably ever meet.  I will tell you to your face what I think about you (not you, but you know what I mean) and not blink while doing so.

This philosophy has resulted in my being called many things, though I can truthfully say that I've NEVER (and I mean not once) been called a liar.


Lucky you! I'm not a politically correct fanatic myself, and I too often say what I think, yet I still get called a liar. You must hang with the right people!

While I'm all for free speech, I do appreciate the moderator's role in keeping discussions civil. I've seen other forums where moderation seemed to be severely negligent or nonexistent, and I wanted no part of it!

There was one where profanity and the most vile flaming was rampant.....some of these idiots would even post little pornographic sketches to show what they thought of their antagonist. You'd think they learned the art of debate in some punk street gang. And this was on a supposedly serious and mature sports-theme website! Pretty disgusting. After viewing sites like that, I'm thankful for a forum like SimV.
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