Trekkies!

[HawkerTempest5]

I agree with you Denishc pal about Enterprise, it should be dealing with the early days of the Federation and how it was formed and came to be. I hate the Temporal Cold War thread and think it has strayed too far from Trek History as we've seen it before. However, war and conflict makes for good TV so I expect we'll be seeing this alot.

Craig, I also agree with you about the Galaxy Class Starship, but the writers have not read the same books as you and have made it a great big flying donky with crappy shields and pee shooters instead of Photon Torpedos! Even the new Enterpreise E gets a good kicking from the Remans in Nemesis.
As far as taking on the Borg, I thought that the Defiant Class was designed for that job?

[Craig.]

it was designed to. but look at its size,:)
they have the pulse cannon which is meant to get through the sheilding of the borg, but since a cube is god knows how many of times bigger than a defiant class, its irellivant, it is great against the borg pyramids and diamonds though.

[Travis]

I'll try not to spoil anything for those that haven't seen Enterprise, but from the episodes dealing with the Temporal Cold War, it seems that Captain Archer will play a large part in the creation of the Federation, but first he has to have a darned good reason.  Like an attack on his homeworld, making him want to protect it as much as possible . . .

And Hagar, I look at the word "Trekkies" as many African-Americans look at that one word, starts with "n".  If you take offense to it when its said, it only fuels the ability of the person saying it to get under your skin.  So I take it as my own word.  I AM A TREKKIE!  Now no one can call me that and have me be offended.

[Hagar]

[quote]And Hagar, I look at the word "Trekkies" as many African-Americans look at that one word, starts with "n".

[Professor Brensec]

As for the Trekkie/Trekker question, it's the same as the Bikie/Biker question. Just a preference.
I don't mind either, although I recall the 'purists' insisting on Trekker here.
I am very fond of the series' and the concept. It's a great escape from our troubled world, and I really do get lost in it.

I know what you'rs saying about DS9, Hagar, when you mention the 'restricted venue'. But they do get 'out and about' as the series' progress. So it does become much more interesting with many adventures on other planets and in Space etc. In many regards you have to perservere with it for a couple of seasons, much like all of them really.
I think we get settled with characters, ships, situations etc and are not so 'flexible' in taking on a whole new concept. But they all endear themselves after a little while. That's why I'll perservere with Enterprise when it does come back here.

Talking about the 'campness' of the old series, which has carried over to the newer ones.
I really can't come to terms with the Romulans" (Romulus along with his brother, Remus, were the founders of Ancient Rome). So the Romulans have Centurians and Legions and the Romulan Senate etc (even use the Roman salute!!). It's all very 'amusing' and hard to take seriously if you have any kind of historical knowledge of ancient Rome.
The real 'cake taker' for me was when the "Remans" were introduced as the "long lost, disagreeable brothers" of the Romulans. It's all very 'camp' and should have been changed for TNG if they really wanted to be taken more seriously.  ;D

[HawkerTempest5]

Good point prof, to say that Romulons are related to Vulcans and not Humans!
I know Remus is a dark planet, but Remans look very different to Romulons, almost a totally different race, but both planets were settled by the same people.

[Professor Brensec]

Good point prof, to say that Romulons are related to Vulcans and not Humans!
I know Remus is a dark planet, but Remans look very different to Romulons, almost a totally different race, but both planets were settled by the same people.

Exactly. To take it a step further, Remus was portrayed, as you said, to be settled by the same people as Romulus (I not sure if it was the same time as the settlement of Romulus or later, and the Remans were actually Romulans first).
Whatever the case, that makes the Remans, Vulcans, the same as the Romulans.
The Romulans are apparently just a bunch of Vulcans who didn't follow the 'emotion suppressing' practices of the others, and continued with their 'warlike' nature. How and why they went to Romulus (and Remus), I don't know.  ;D

[Craig.]

your correct on the romulans being vulcans who chose not to surpress their emotions, there was of coarse sybok(spocks half brother) who i believe gave a full reason in one of the movies.

[Professor Brensec]

your correct on the romulans being vulcans who chose not to surpress their emotions, there was of coarse sybok(spocks half brother) who i believe gave a full reason in one of the movies.

Yes. I recall that Craig. Although, apparently there were Vulcans, who remained on Vulcan, that didn't suppress their emotions either, Sybok was one of these. I think it was just a 'cultural' decision in this case, rather than a complete difference in 'way of life'.

Further to the "Two types of Klingon" question, I must say they do go to resonably good lengths to explain away, what was obviously due to a simple difference in the 'make up' capabilities (or budget) for TOS and the subsequent series.
In short: The Klingon Empire had a Plague, to which they found that Humans, particularly, were immuned. To save their race, they 'incorporated' a number of human genes into their own unborn offspring to produce the 'second' or more human looking Klingon called a "fusion". This was shortly before Kirks adventures. Some of the Original "Empire Klingons" (the larger Ridgehead ones) were isolated to preserve the 'genus'. They were slowly bred back into the population, after the plague past

All VERY, VERY convenient. If you ask me.

Kirk's encounters with only 'human like' Klingons is explained thus:

This is the main reason why Federation vessels such as the U.S.S. Enterprise under the command of Captain Kirk continually encountered very human looking Klingons. For several decades the Klingon Imperial Defense Force was primarily Fusions. This allowed many to gain a high degree of Glory and respect, such as General Chang, even though they were not purebred. Some Imperial Klingon disliked the Fusions higher intellect, not because they saw them as a rival, but because the intellect made them more cunning, often flirting with dishonorable practices and tactics.

[HawkerTempest5]

I'd buy that Klingon thing if:-
A: We had not seen "new" Klingons in Enterprise, set well before Kirk and co.
B: Kang, Kor and Koloth, three Klingons who first turned up in TOS looking Human had not turned up again looking like "new" Klingons in DS9!

So then, we've now destroyed the credibility of the two main Trek bad guys What can we dig up on the Cardasians?

[Professor Brensec]

I'd buy that Klingon thing if:-
A: We had not seen "new" Klingons in Enterprise, set well before Kirk and co.
B: Kang, Kor and Koloth, three Klingons who first turned up in TOS looking Human had not turned up again looking like "new" Klingons in DS9!

It's conceivable that the 'plague' didn't hit until after Enterprise, but before Kirk. It's about a 100 year gap (2150's to 2250's).

But I knew that there was something 'fishy' about the Klingon that was Kirk's nemesis (Played by John Colicos - whom we lost recently ). He appeared in the TNG series as an 'Empire Klingon'.
It's also silly, John Colicos played another old Klingon in DS9 when they find the 'Sword of Kayless'. It wasn't Kang it was one of the other two who appeared with him in TNG................lol (I saw it last night).

He played a great 'badie'. he was the bad bloke in 'Battlestar Galactica'.

[Smoke2much]

I've voted for the origional, I have to agree with Rifleman that all the others are ultimately just spin off's.

And the real reason that Klingon's changed so much in just 120 years is that Makeup technology got better......

Will

[HawkerTempest5]

It's conceivable that the 'plague' didn't hit until after Enterprise, but before Kirk. It's about a 100 year gap (2150's to 2250's).

But I knew that there was something 'fishy' about the Klingon that was Kirk's nemesis (Played by John Colicos - whom we lost recently ). He appeared in the TNG series as an 'Empire Klingon'.
It's also silly, John Colicos played another old Klingon in DS9 when they find the 'Sword of Kayless'. It wasn't Kang it was one of the other two who appeared with him in TNG................lol (I saw it last night).

He played a great 'badie'. he was the bad bloke in 'Battlestar Galactica'.

John Colicos played Kor. Kang was played by Michael Ansara and Coloth by William Campbell, who also played the Squire of Gothos.
All three appeared in the DS9 episode "Blood oath" where they team up with Dax to extract revenge upon an albino who killed each of the Klingon's first borne sons.
Kor is also in two other DS9 shows and eventually dies an honorable death taking on the Dominion.

[Professor Brensec]

John Colicos played Kor. Kang was played by Michael Ansara and Coloth by William Campbell, who also played the Squire of Gothos.
All three appeared in the DS9 episode "Blood oath" where they team up with Dax to extract revenge upon an albino who killed each of the Klingon's first borne sons.
Kor is also in two other DS9 shows and eventually dies an honorable death taking on the Dominion.

Sorry mate, got confused...............again.

I thought the one where the three old blokes went after the Albino was a TNG episode.

Is Kor (the one played by Colicos) also the name of the Klingon played by Colicos that was Kirks 'nemisis'?
I know one of the old blokes was supposed to be that particular bloke.

(I could look it up, but it's quicker to ask you............lol )  

[Professor Brensec]

And the real reason that Klingon's changed so much in just 120 years is that Makeup technology got better......
Will

Prof brensec said:

I must say they do go to resonably good lengths to explain away, what was obviously due to a simple difference in the 'make up' capabilities (or budget) for TOS and the subsequent series.

Pay attention in class, Smoke. or else Ozzy will be on you with his big 'School Teacher' stick................lol