Sept. 11, 2003

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Sept. 11, 2003

Postby loomex » Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:46 am

As all of you know (if you dont, get out from under that rock!) Thursday is the 11th of September.  Here is a few ideas on things to do.

1.  Put your national flag at half staff for the day
    (if its allowed)
2.  Go to church and pray for peace
3.  Donate blood at the local Red Cross
4.  Visit a fire or a police station and say thank you
5.  Spend extra time hugging a loved one.
6.  Thank a soldier.
7.  Volunteer time to a charity, nursing home, or hospital
8.  Cry for those that lost their lives and their families
9.  Have a moment of silence
10. Stop and smell the roses

Also if you get the chance, thry to watch a Showtime movie called "DC 9/11".

This is just what I thought up. I am sure that there are hundreds of other things you can do in honor of  those lost on that day.

God Bless the USA and her Allies

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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Polynomial » Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:04 am

May we never forget . . .  :'(
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Mr. Bones » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:13 am

and if you want to do something risky, take a flight to a country where the US warned last year for attacks...like i'm going to do!  :-/
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Scottler » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:28 am

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but one thing I noticed in the aftermath of that horrible day, is that everyone seemed to want to display the American Flag.

I was disappointed, however, when I realized how many people don't know proper etiquette for doing so.

There are many rules which should be followed out of respect for our country, and our flag.  Below I've outllined some of the more common errors I've seen since September 11, 2001.  These are direct quotes from The Flag Code.  (Yes, there really is one.)

Section 6(a). It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.

Section 6(c).The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed.

Section 7(b).The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

Section 7(L).  The flag should form a distinctive feature of the ceremony of unveiling a statue or monument, but it should never be used as the covering for the statue or monument.  (Remember Baghdad?)

The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection -
1.  the term "half-staff" means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;

2.  the term "executive or military department" means any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and

3.  the term "Member of Congress" means a Senator, a Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.

Section 8(b).  The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

Section 8(d).The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

Section 8(i).The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.  (SORRY US AIRWAYS!!!)

Section 8(j).  No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.  (So many athletes with that sticker on their uniform....no good!)

So, if you read it carefully, as much as loomex's intent is noble, don't fly your flag at half-staff on September 11th, until the President himself orders it done.

Second, US Airways should REALLY change their logo.

And finally, respect your American flag and all it stands for.  Failing to comply with these rules are just as disrespectful as not displaying it at all.

God Bless America and all who defend her.
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby ATI_7500 » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:39 am

will i be shot if i say "nothing specific,just living like every day else." ??
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Scottler » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:45 am

IMO, Silent Exploder, you (and everyone else) should be allowed to commemorate that day any way you choose, as long as you are taking the time to think about the day itself, and the lives that were lost.
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby ATI_7500 » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:51 am

i know...9/11 was a black day,but i don't really feel "hit" by it.  maybe i'm just too far away from the USA to understand the meaning of this day for you.
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Wing Nut » Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:36 am

will i be shot if i say "nothing specific,just living like every day else." ??


That may be the BEST way to honor it...
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Scottler » Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:39 am

Pip, as much as I love Calvin and Hobbes, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.

I think that because so many people were affected in so many different ways, there is no "best" way to honor the day.

I think that everyone who was affected (and we all were in some degree or another), will just instinctively know what is the best way for themselves.

Personally, I wouldn't choose  to live it as "just another day".  For me, and for so many like me, it isn't, nor will it ever be, "just another day".
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Wing Nut » Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:46 am

I do not plan on honoring the day by doing nothing.  I haven't decided what yet, but I know I want to do something, and I want to do it with my family.  I only meant that perhaps we should follow the phrase 'Living well is the best revenge' and not give the ba$tard$ the satisfaction of knowing they hurt us.
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Scottler » Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:50 am

I agree completely, I'm just saying that let's not put that front up so strongly that we convince ourselves that we weren't hurt.

It's like the addage about "if you lie long enough, you'll start to believe it".

That's my biggest post 9/11 fear.  That we'll be so intent on convincing the enemy that we're not hurt, that we convince ourselves that same thing.
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Wing Nut » Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:56 am

I don't think that'll ever happen...
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby loomex » Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:21 am

First, Hyperion thank you very much for posting the "rules" of the flag. That saved me the trouble because I was going to do it. Second,  just at it was said:
I think that everyone who was affected (and we all were in some degree or another), will just instinctively know what is the best way for themselves.

Even if it just to stop a moment and think.
As for me, I will bring my flag all the way down, raise it quickly and lower slowly to half mast. (All weather/illumanated flag). I am sure a tear will be shed by me
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby Crumbso » Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:41 am

hhmmm this is a difficult one let me think a minute to try and give a decent thought to this occasion.
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Re: Sept. 11, 2003

Postby OTTOL » Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:51 am

'Living well is the best revenge' and not give the ba$tard$ the satisfaction of knowing they hurt us.
 Terrorism is more of a psychological mode of combat than physical. The moral result that occurs in the aftermath is just what the terrorists intend. Just like any funeral, everyone "deals" with the loss in their own way. I say set your flags at half mast, reflect, pray, cry or just go on with your day, but don't make a National "Superbowl" event out of it. That's exactly what Bush will do, but not out of respect, but rather, because his ratings are down!
Scott, as a former Marine myself, I have the utmost respect for the points you made regarding the flag. But be honest with yourself. Did you have the same knowledge of flag etiquette, before you joined. I've seen a lot of people here in south Florida, that joined the band wagon immediately after 9/11(where were these people before Sep11th?). I saw a guy yesterday with a, disgustingly tattered, oversized, American flag, with "dont tread on this flag", embroidered  on one of the stripes, bolted to the toolbox of his pickup!!
:-/  This is exactly why I think every citizen should do AT LEAST two years of mandatory service(like they do in Israel). The benefits are too many to list, and go beyond the scope of this subject, but Patriotic etiquette, would be one BIG pro in this argument. :)
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