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Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Fly2e » Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:55 pm

Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

It was scary enough when passengers learned that their Rome-to-New York flight had what the crew termed a "major" technical problem. Then the Alitalia jet made a U-turn over the ocean and headed back to land, where emergency rescue crews were waiting at the airport in Shannon, Ireland, an hour later.

It wasn't until they got off the plane that they saw the windshield above the captain's seat in the Boeing 777 was shattered, with blankets and pillows from the cabin piled up behind it. "My heart started racing even more than it had been on the plane," said Vinnie Gioia of Mastic, who was returning from a family trip to Sicily when Alitalia Flight 610 made the emergency landing Sunday evening.

Boeing officials say the device that prevents the windshield from fogging up apparently overheated, shattering the inside layer and sparking a fire. The pilots put out the fire in the cockpit with a fire extinguisher, but the inner layer of the acrylic-glass material that makes up the windshield began to splinter, with pieces falling into the cockpit.

It could have been worse. "You make an emergency landing because there is a high risk that the windshield will deteriorate to the point that it fails," said Michael Barr of the aviation safety institute at the University of Southern California. "You don't want to lose pressurization."

If an aircraft at a high altitude -- the Alitalia plane was at 39,000 feet -- loses pressurization, the flight crew is at risk of being sucked out. The Alitalia jet quickly descended to close to 10,000 feet, where pressurization is not an issue.

It's not the first time the windshield on a Boeing 777 has shattered when the heating element malfunctioned. Federal Aviation Administration records show two instances of windshields on the world's largest twinjet shattering in the past year.

On Oct. 26, 2002, the outer glass of the windshield of a United Airlines Boeing 777 shattered while the plane was preparing to land because of electrical arcing in the wiring between the layers of window material. The problem was blamed on moisture getting into an area designed to be watertight. Two months later, on Dec. 26, 2002, another United 777 made an emergency descent when the same thing happened.

"If it's happened three times, they had better fix the problem pretty quickly," Barr said. "That's called blood priority."

The FAA would say only that it was aware of the latest incident. Boeing spokeswoman Elizabeth Verdier said the manufacturer had received a report on the incident from Alitalia. "It isn't real common but it isn't unusual. The heating elements do sometimes overheat," she said.

The material that makes up the windshield is sturdy, designed to handle the impact of bird strikes. But a short in electrical anti-fog device can "cook" the material, Barr said.

The flight carrying about 300 passengers, destined for Kennedy Airport, Sunday afternoon in clear weather. About two hours after takeoff, passengers noticed an electrical smell, and not long after that the flight crew announced a "major" technical problem that had to be addressed immediately.

The flight attendants turned off the overhead monitor that tracks the flight, showing its speed, altitude and location. But Gioia was able to get the seatback monitor in front of him to work, and watched as the aircraft made a U-turn and descended to close to 10,000 feet, where it flew for nearly an hour, he said, after which the plane made an uneventful landing.

"I'm not going to say we said goodbye to each other ... but we held hands," said Gioia, who was traveling with his wife, two sons, ages 4 and 7, and his 7-year-old nephew. After an overnight stay in Ireland, Alitalia put the passengers on another flight to Kennedy on Monday.
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Fozzer » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:20 pm

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......Boeing spokeswoman Elizabeth Verdier said the manufacturer had received a report on the incident from Alitalia. "It isn't real common but it isn't unusual. The heating elements do sometimes overheat," she said.
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Craig. » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:21 pm

The material that makes up the windshield is sturdy, designed to handle the impact of bird strikes. But a short in electrical anti-fog device can "cook" the material, Barr said

they aint kidding:) they fire dead thawed out chickens at over 200 mph at the windscreens and engines for these planes:)
lets just be thankful these windows are so thick.
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Fly2e » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:31 pm

[quote]Posted by: CraigL Posted on: Today at 2:21pm
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they aint kidding they fire dead thawed out chickens at over 200 mph at the windscreens and engines for these planes
lets just be thankful these windows are so thick.
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Craig. » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:35 pm

HAHAHA ;D that is a good one:)
although you would have thought someone should have known ::)
LOL
as one guy said though, as long as they only encounter dead chickens being fired at them at 30,000 feet they should be ok:)
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby ozzy72 » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:35 pm

Well you're not getting me on one until Boeing have fixed this "isn't real common, but isn't unusual problem".
I'll stick to An-2s and Mi-24s (I'm still gloating everyone ;D).
My favourite chicken story is the top secret tests by the British government to see the effects of overhead supersonic flight (obviously before my time, I like on the deck supersonic flight), to see if it was safe to use Concorde near Britain.

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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Hagar » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:14 pm

Hmmm. This rings a bell. Does anyone remember a similar incident concerning a British regional airliner? It hit the headlines some years ago. I think a side window blew out rather than the windscreen. The Captain or First Officer was dragged half-way out of the cockpit. He was only saved by one of the stewardesses hanging on to his ankles. The plane landed 30 minutes later with him still out there. Almost froze to death.

I read the accident report & it turned out the window frame bolts were too short. One of the maintenance guys had fitted the wrong ones by mistake. It caused a heck of a row at the time. I can't remember the aircraft type or the airline now. It might have been a BAe (Avro) 748.
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Craig. » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:17 pm

maybe its time to think about one of two things, a double glazed window, may add to weight but its safer. or make seat belts mandatory for the cockpit crew in flight. if the passengers are supposed to when seated why not crew, especially if these things are happening
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Fly2e » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:25 pm

Posted by: CraigL Posted on: Today at 3:17pm
if the passengers are supposed to when seated why not crew, especially if these things are happening  


How would we get all our delicious airline food served to us then!!   ;D

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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby ozzy72 » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:32 pm

I believe the flight crew have to strap in. And Doug I seem to remember the incident you were talking about. I didn't envy him at all, and I like mad things like that (see the cargo net stunt in The Living Daylights for my idea of fun.....).
Err Dave, when we say strapping in we don't mean the S&M trip provided by Hooters..... ;D ;D ;D Isn't your good lady wife back to keep you in order yet?

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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Craig. » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:32 pm

the way these airlines are charging for food these days, i cant afford to eat:) i think i read something like $2's a soda. and $7's for a sandwich pack, heeeeellllll no:)
i am really going for cockpit crew, and besides they dont serve food till seat belt sign is off.
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Fozzer » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:38 pm

Hmmm. This rings a bell. Does anyone remember a similar incident concerning a British regional airliner? It hit the headlines some years ago. I think a side window blew out rather than the windscreen. The Captain or First Officer was dragged half-way out of the cockpit. He was only saved by one of the stewardesses hanging on to his ankles. The plane landed 30 minutes later with him still out there. Almost froze to death.

I read the accident report & it turned out the window frame bolts were too short. One of the maintenance guys had fitted the wrong ones by mistake. It caused a heck of a row at the time. I can't remember the aircraft type or the airline now. It might have been a BAe (Avro) 748.


Hi Doug... ;D...!
If I remember correctly, at the time, you posted some pictures of the distorted fuselage, and the offending window...
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Hagar » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:41 pm

the way these airlines are charging for food these days, i cant afford to eat:) i think i read something like $2's a soda. and $7's for a sandwich pack, heeeeellllll no:)

Those must be the cheaper outfits Craig. The food comes free on all the airlines I've been on. I'm assuming this is still the case.

I don't know about the 777 but windscreens are usually laminated & double glazed. In this case it seems the demisting element is the problem, not the window itself.

and besides they dont serve food till seat belt sign is off.

I don't think the windscreen takes any notice of the seat belt sign. ;)
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Craig. » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:44 pm

i am not quite sure about the british airlines but the majority of the US majors are now charging for food and drinks on domestic flights, i am not so sure on the international, but i imagine they would be commiting suicide if they charged on those
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Re: Boeing 777 Windshield Shatters!!!!

Postby Hagar » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:46 pm


Hi Doug... ;D...!
If I remember correctly, at the time, you posted some pictures of the distorted fuselage, and the offending window...
..a bit scary...!

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Hi Paul. I'm not sure of the date but the incident I'm thinking of happened before I retired. That was before I had a 'puter or SimV even existed. ::)
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