StarTrek Fans(i'm bored)

[Craig.]

admiral tomolock. the guy plays a differant part in enterprise to a few episodes in. i wont spoil it for you. as for the romulans and humans, there was no referance whatso ever to the borg speicifically at the time the writers were trying to decide a race which would be more powerful than both the romulans and humans. there was even rumors at the time that it would force a romulan human alliance, but that never happend. In the end the borg were chosen, although if you may have noticed when originally shown people thought that the cube was the only one of its kind, it wasnt until picard was linked to them as locutus, that the true numbers were revealed. The writers of enterprise have rewritten the history of star trek a number of times, the ferangi, were not introduced to humans for at least another 100 years. romulans were the same, and same for klingons, i think they have been trying to rush the series to try and keep up with the newer star trek, the only saving of the new series is the guy who played geordie is directing most episodes which meant someone with prior experiance was on hand. other than that the entire team were all new to it.
you'll like the new series of enterprise when ya get it, prob the best of the lot

[HawkerTempest5]

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I remember the episode. I saw it not long ago. Australian TV is great for re-runs!
It starred the same bloke who plays Spocks Father 'Sarek' as the Romulan Commander.

I don't remember any reference to the Borg in that episode. Of course there couldn't have been, they weren't even a twinkle in Gene's eye at that time.
So you must be referring to some kind of reference in the Star Trek library or something. I thought the Romulans destroyed the outposts in that episode, even though they don't actually admit it.

[Professor Brensec]

Sorry about the misunderstanding about which series we were talking about with regard to the Romulans.
I remember the episode I refer to (Original Series), where Kirk and crew first see a Romulan and discover they look like Vulcans (and the helmsman accuses Spock for being against them etc etc).
I thought that was the episode you were talking about. I think it was the result of the distuction or an attack on a Federation Outpost, wasn't it?

Anyway, it seems the whole thing (as far as time lines etc are concerned) is a little confusing, and mistakes have been made cthat can't be easily explained away.

When you mention the presence of Levar Burton etc as directors, isn't Jeri Taylor (not Ryan ) still involved in the writing. She has been involved in virtually all the later series from TNG onwards. She would be a wealth of knowledge for them if she is still involved.

[Professor Brensec]

Since the subject was mentioned. Why doesn't the Federation have cloaking technology, at least by the end of Voyager series or DS9.

You mentioned the treaty with the Romulans, but surely by now the Federation should be able to develop their own, a hundred or more years after the Romulans and Kligons managed to do it.
They even have access to the one on the Defiant to study, if it's all been to difficult to come up with on their own.

With all the advancements that have taken place over the length of all the series you think by now they would have something so valuable.

[Craig.]

Johnathan Frakes, directed alot fo the voyager series, even staring in that one episode.
as for the cloaking device, the treaty between the Romulans and Humans hasnt been updated since it was introdced, they can never stay in a room together long enough to rewrite it. so its still a case of humans dont have it, romulans wont goto war.
with that klingon timeline that would suggest they brought them in 90 years to early on enterprise then. and if you noticed they are trying to play archers character off as a kirk like character, with him constantly helping klingons, and other things(i wont say it would spoil it for you brensec)

[Professor Brensec]

Don't worry too much about letting me in on future 'Enterprise' episodes. I'll watch them and enjoy them anyway, whether I have an inkling of what might happen or not.
I continually watch all the others over and over, so if you let something out about episodes that I haven't seen yet, it really won't matter. You'd have to go into quite alot of detail to spoil an episode for me.
Thanks for the thought though.

[Craig.]

well the best way to put it is, remember in one of the star trek movies,(6) where Kirk and McCoy are put on trial infront of the klingon high counsel its an almost exact copy of that.

[HawkerTempest5]

Sorry about the misunderstanding about which series we were talking about with regard to the Romulans.
I remember the episode I refer to (Original Series), where Kirk and crew first see a Romulan and discover they look like Vulcans (and the helmsman accuses Spock for being against them etc etc).
I thought that was the episode you were talking about. I think it was the result of the distuction or an attack on a Federation Outpost, wasn't it?

Anyway, it seems the whole thing (as far as time lines etc are concerned) is a little confusing, and mistakes have been made cthat can't be easily explained away.

When you mention the presence of Levar Burton etc as directors, isn't Jeri Taylor (not Ryan ) still involved in the writing. She has been involved in virtually all the later series from TNG onwards. She would be a wealth of knowledge for them if she is still involved.

That's OK pal, it's very easy to get confused with so many shows. Both shows have a similar theme.
Trek is famous for re-writing it's own history and Rick Berman once said that events from the original Trek need not be taken for granted.
You know, I've not noticed if Jeri Taylor is involved in Enterprise but I would guess she would be.

[quote]Since the subject was mentioned. Why doesn't the Federation have cloaking technology, at least by the end of Voyager series or DS9.

You mentioned the treaty with the Romulans, but surely by now the Federation should be able to develop their own, a hundred or more years after the Romulans and Kligons managed to do it.
They even have access to the one on the Defiant to study, if it's all been to difficult to come up with on their own.

With all the advancements that have taken place over the length of all the series you think by now they would have something so valuable.

[Craig.]

done a quick check and jeri taylor is nowhere to be seen on cast and credits for enterprise

[Professor Brensec]

It's perfectly understandable that Gene and Co had obsolutely no idea that Star Trek would go on for so long, in so many different series and movies and that so much would be dependant on getting the 'Original' history right. For instance Gene explained that the star dates had no significance whatsoever. The production team, after a while, tried to have them sequential, but some ended up out of sequence because of episodes going to screen in the wrong order. So, officially, there is no sense or formula to relate the stardates to any year or time.
I understand the Original almost didn't go to series. There was a year gap between the pilot and the beginning of the series.
Also TNG was a bit of a worry to begin with too. There was alot of 'resistance' fron the 'hard core' Original fans that just couldn't see Kirk and Spock etc replaced. Especially after the Movie. But of course they were never replaced. They played there parts, and still do (God rest McCoy) in the new series and the movies.

I think. maybe the 'Enterprise' series is partly an attempt at trying to re-tell some of the history so it fits a little better with the later series. Kind of a re-organising of events and historic moments. I think First Contact was a good start to that process.

[Professor Brensec]

Just a quicky! I've seen the 'First Contact' movie about 4 times and I don't recall any reference to what happened to the Borg Sphere that they chased back to 2063.

What's this about Borg 'wreckage' on Earth etc?

[Craig.]

well since you asked, it was explained that an escape pod from the borg ship crashed in a polar ice cap. and a team of scientists found them years later still frozen. I havent seen first contact ina  long time so i cant remember to well what actually happend, but they explained it from the battle between the enterprise and the borg over earth, they even mentioned it in the episode, something about cochran being visited  by men from the future trying to stop his first warp test then another group of men from the future actually helping him. but everyone dismissed the claim by cochran thinking he was insane:). what i dont understand is in the first series archer was given information from the future containing tons of ships and species, when going through that one time you could even see the borg ships and enterprise A through E. and various other ships from future, why he didnt just check that about the borg i dont know, well i do know they try to pass it off as the temperal prime directive, but so far picard and janeway have broken that more times than the rest of starfleet combined:)

[Professor Brensec]

I've just come across another pretty obvious 'error' in the Star Trek history scheme of things:

I saw the Original Series episode last night, where Spock undergoes the 'Pon Far' and has to go back to Vulcan for his "7 year itch"........lol

In the new Enterprise series, they mention the 'Vulcan sex every 7 years' business on a number of occasions.
With Vulcans being the first contact species, also the species that help humans to eventually get out into space albeit grudgingly........).
Also they have Topal (spelling?) on the first Enterprise with them.
Given all this, and the fact that it is mentioned in the Enterprise series more than once, surely Kirk and the Starfleet people of his time, about 100 years later, would certainly have been aware of this phenomena.
But, of course, in the episode I saw, they know nothing about it at all.

A bad blunder, I think. But then, I don't see how they could have avoided it, seeing as the Original episode involving Spock was made in the late '60's and they could hardly have come up with a reasonable explaination as to why and how this particular part of Vulcan life could be kept from the humans for around 190 years (from first contact 2063, till the Spock incident in around the 2250's). It couldn't possibly have been a secret for so long, regardless of how private and sensitive the Vulcans are about it.  

Thoughts ?  ;D

[HawkerTempest5]

Star Trek is full of these errors brensec old pal. You would think that with a show so big with so much information available they would get their own history correct!
I remember reading that Rick Berman (the new big boss at Star Trek) said that events from the original (ie. from before his time in charge) should be taken with a pinch of salt and not considered as officially correct. Reading between the lines here, he is saying that the film exploits of Kirk and Co are OK, but the first series is not really part of Star Trek history.

[Professor Brensec]

Star Trek is full of these errors brensec old pal. You would think that with a show so big with so much information available they would get their own history correct!
I remember reading that Rick Berman (the new big boss at Star Trek) said that events from the original (ie. from before his time in charge) should be taken with a pinch of salt and not considered as officially correct. Reading between the lines here, he is saying that the film exploits of Kirk and Co are OK, but the first series is not really part of Star Trek history.

I suppose that's all they could say or do about it. The first series was made with no thought whatsoever about how it should tie in with later series or even movies. So I suppose we should make this allowance.

The cause of lot of the errors that have come to light recently has been their decision to make the current series 'retrospectively'. By doing this they have put themselves in a position of, not only having to 'fit in' with the 'later series' such as TNG and DS9, but also try to have things make sense with the old Original series which is, of course, still in their future in the current series.

Even though I have perservered with the new series (it's up to the end of series one (on Video) here, not even on TV yet) and come to enjoy it, I think they would have been smarter to stick with the 'time line' that would progress from Voyager and DS9. But then, who knows, after this series is finished, it could end up being voted the best series ever (although I doubt it......lol ).