StarTrek Fans(i'm bored)

[Craig.]

long day not much happening so why dont all you trekkies reveal your favorate three race's and ships(names not nessicary if not known, or if type not known then name can be used)
mine would go down as
1:borg, borg ship:Cube, its huge its got an unbelievable arsenal of weaponary, and its almost indestructable.

2:Humans, human ship: Enterprise D(galaxy class) still the most powerful vessel in starfleet, when upgraded to warship standards, its only failings are its aft shielding which is where its weak point is and thats where it looses out  to  the soverign class as well as it is unable to carry quantum torpedos even after upgrade.

3:Romulans, Romulan ship: D'Deridex super battleship(only ever shown on tv once) but was destroyed by the enterprise if i remember rightly before it could be completed. standard D'Deridex vessels are not as effeciant as the galaxy class vessels as the sheilds are only 70% the strength of the galaxy class and its not as manouverable.

honourable mention goes to the vulcans and klingons.
so share with us your favs

[Iroquois]

Does it half to be Star Trek because there's a few others I like from other Sci Fi movies and Shows. Here are my top 5.

Favorite Starships
1. Eclipse Class Super Star Destroyer: Huge 25km long beast shapped like a dagger. Nearly indestructable, carries heavy weapons including a Super Laser that is capable of cracking a planet's crust, rendering it inhabitable. Has a cloaking device and its huge globe shapped gravity well generators prevent other ships from going to light speed. (This was in one of the Star Wars novels)

2. Space Ball One: Massive "Tranformer" turns into "Mega Maid". Need I say more. Can travel at Ludicrous Speed. "Space Ball One, they've gone plaid."

3.

[Craig.]

cool:)
and yeah any sci-fi ship is welcome widens the topic up a little more then:)

[Professor Brensec]

Let's see...this is a hard one.

Klingons.......(the up to date ones - still no explanation about how they changed so quickly - Worf was asked when DS9 crew went back to Kirks days, but he avoided the question) - anyway, I love the clothing (except for the ridiculous turned up toe on the boots - look like elves shoes ) The expresion 'It's a good day to die' is pretty good too.

Vulcans (especially Spock, of course) - You know there is a great sense of humour in there - it only comes out every 100 years or so, but it's worth it when it does.

Ships - I like the Defiant - it's compact, carries those awsome multi-shooting phasers (what are they?) and it's always a match for anything the Gamma guys have got to throw at it.

Also Voyager - even though every part of the ship must have been completely    renewed at least 4 times over during the entire adventure.  ;D

[Craig.]

they are pulse phasers, originally designed against the borg incursion of the alpha quadrant with the original being tested as you said on the defiant. those toe thingys on klingon boots are knifes to kill enemys with their feet, and the klingon thing was also addressed it was a disease klingons have always looked as they did in their later stage but for a period of time a disease caused them to revert to a human like form apparently a very embarresing time:)

[Iroquois]

Klingons.......(the up to date ones - still no explanation about how they changed so quickly - Worf was asked when DS9 crew went back to Kirks days, but he avoided the question)

One thing I never understood is if the Klingons didn't have the forehead ridges back in Kirk's day and they acknoledged that as a fact in DS9, why do they have them (ridges) in Enterprise?

[Craig.]

like i said, it was a disease,
i cant remember how it came about, if you notice in the original series the older klingons have the ridges, its just the younger klingons who dont, i think it might have had something to do with the tribbles?

[Professor Brensec]

I was going to ask in what episode this disease thing came to light, but you've since said that you're not sure.
Can someone do a bit of research (I'll try too) to find out a bit more about it and post it here. Because if you ask me, it's pretty bloody lame.

Shame on you Paramount. Why can't you just admit, Gene stuffed up!  ;D

[Craig.]

well this is the writers who now are blaming the NX-01 crew for the borg finding out about humans, i could just about buy their excuse that the borg went back to when cochrane was about to test the first warp drive, and the enterprise crew went to and got into a fight which was in the move. but the history of star trek still states that Q was the reason for the borg being introduced to picards crew. not archers crew.
i'll see what i can find but i think the episode was when the DS9 crew went back in time to catch a criminal and the episode tied into the OS episode where tribbles invaded the enterprise because of that trader. and theres that really funny line up with kirk and the crew after that fight. asking who started it and so on.
i'll see what i can find

[Craig.]

and the plot thickens
there are various reasons for it give and pleanty of theorys with this being the most common.
" After watching a rerun of VOY:

[HawkerTempest5]

I'm not getting into the Klingon head lump debate or the fact that since Q introduced the Borg to humanity several other "first contacts" have happened with the Borg (Seven's family going off to look for them, Finding the "First Contact" movie Borg remains frozen in the arctic in Enterprise etc.) But here are my three favourite

[Craig.]

the borg have a few ships, they start out with the Pyramid, then pyramid prime, then diamond, diamond prime, sphere, sphere prime, and then cube. the frieghters are a cylinder shape, aswell. the primes are used as assimilation vessels, the standard vessels are attack vessels

[Professor Brensec]

As far as the Borg discovering humanity is concerned, it seems you blokes know something that I don't about the newest 'Enterprise' series.
My only access *(unless I wait the mandatory 18mths - 2 years for it to came to prime TV) is Blockbuster Video.
But they only have up to series 1 episode 26. That's left me hanging in the middle of a double episode (as ST do quite often at the end of a Series). They get a new video (2 episodes each 5 weeks or so).
I'm actually beginning to get into it and the characters (I recently said I was having difficulty enjoying it as much as the other series but I would persevere).
I assume there is some future episode where the NX-01 has a 'Borg' encounter.

Anyway, they can't blame the 'First Contact' encounter for introducing the Borg to Humanity because the Borg would only have been aware IF the ones that went back had made contact using the Enterprise's Deflector, which is what they were trying to do. (They actually did do it, Humanity disappeared, and then it was undone by Pickard and crew).
So, the earliest encounter with the Borg, that hasn't been undone, is the 'Q' episode 'Farpoint', except for 7's parents which I think must have been about 10 -12 years earlier (she about 24, I thuink and was 4 when she was assimilated.
When you think about it, who's to say that when Q took the Enterprise D to the Borg, they weren't already on their way to Earth as a result of 7's parents encounter 10 or so years earlier. After all, they wouldn't be in any great hurry, they'd just 'work' their way there as they have through the rest of th Galaxy.

[HawkerTempest5]

Thanks for sorting me out there Craig. I had no idea about Borg Ship Types!
Brensec pal, interesting thoughts. If you remember the TNG show "The Neutral Zone" at the end of season 1, the Enterprise meets the Romulons after a number of outposts have been wiped out. This was ment to be the introduction of the Borg. They were ment to have destroyed the outposts and that was a whole season before Q introduced us to them. So I guess they did know about humanity before Q. And you are also correct about the Hansen family. They set off after the Borg before TNG.
I'm glad you are getting into Enterprise. I sort of got into it about halfway through season one and I'm now (season two just ended here in the UK) well hooked. The cliff hanger was a tad dissapointing (won't spoil it for you) but it gets better and the season two cliff hanger is quite a good one.

[Professor Brensec]

Thanks for sorting me out there Craig. I had no idea about Borg Ship Types!
Brensec pal, interesting thoughts. If you remember the TNG show "The Neutral Zone" at the end of season 1, the Enterprise meets the Romulons after a number of outposts have been wiped out. This was ment to be the introduction of the Borg. They were ment to have destroyed the outposts and that was a whole season before Q introduced us to them. So I guess they did know about humanity before Q. And you are also correct about the Hanson family. They set off after the Borg before TNG.

I remember the episode. I saw it not long ago. Australian TV is great for re-runs!
It starred the same bloke who plays Spocks Father 'Sarek' as the Romulan Commander.

I don't remember any reference to the Borg in that episode. Of course there couldn't have been, they weren't even a twinkle in Gene's eye at that time.
So you must be referring to some kind of reference in the Star Trek library or something. I thought the Romulans destroyed the outposts in that episode, even though they don't actually admit it.  ;D

So with 'Enterprise', I'm a full seasion behind, eh!
Ah well.  ;)