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It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby Wing Nut » Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:20 am

I guess someone had to start rounding up all of those free-range jetliners out there huh?  This is actually kind of scary.  What would someone want with a 727 converted to carry large amounts of fuel?

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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby BFMF » Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:54 am

that's not cool.
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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby Hagar » Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:17 pm

Hmmm. Why doesn't that link work for me? All I get is a form wanting my date of birth, postcode & suchlike. I don't give out those details without good reason. I get enough spam already. LOL
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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby Felix/FFDS » Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:21 pm

Without reading the article (like Hagar, I hesitate giving out personal information) ...  there are places where fuel must be transported by air - certain places in Alaska, for example ... but I would be wary of landing a fuel loaded 727 in a rough field...
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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby BFMF » Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:35 pm

For the benefit of those who don't want to participate in the 'survey'

Directly & unedited Off the Washington Post website[quote]In Angola, A Jetliner's Vanishing Act
Boeing 727 Is Subject Of Search, U.S. Worry

By John Mintz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 18, 2003; Page A01


The Boeing 727 had not budged from its parking place at the airport in Angola's capital city for 14 months, so when the jetliner started taxiing down the runway, the men in the control tower radioed the pilot for an explanation. There was no reply from the cockpit, even after the plane rumbled to a takeoff into the African skies.

The plane has been missing since it took off from the Luanda airport around dinnertime on May 25, setting off a continent-wide search for its whereabouts that includes the CIA, the State Department and a number of African nations. Their fear is that terrorists could stage a replay of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, using the plane in a suicide attack somewhere in Africa.

U.S. authorities say it is likely the airplane was filched as part of a business dispute or financial scam. But even so, they say, there is a danger that unscrupulous people in control of a plane that size could make it available to arms or gem smugglers, guerrilla movements or terrorists.

It has been a commonplace for decades in Africa for the paperwork on commercial aircraft, especially small and mid-sized planes, to be dodgy, and for regulation to be extremely lax, industry officials said. Planes continually change ownership, and the aprons of some African airstrips are littered with wrecked aircraft stripped for parts.

But losing a 153-foot, 200,000-pound aircraft is no common occurrence.

"I haven't come across this before in 22 years in this business," said Chris Yates, a civil aviation security analyst for the private Jane's Aviation service. "It is not a stretch to think this plane could end up in the hands of terrorists. A number of companies involved in gun running [and other crimes] in Africa have indirect ties to various terrorist groups."

In the post-Sept. 11 world, even the possibility that terrorists could obtain a large aircraft prompts intensive government scrutiny. U.S. officials are alarmed because large swaths of Africa are under heightened alert for terrorism. Last month, 42 people, including 13 terrorists, died in a series of orchestrated suicide bombings in Casablanca, Morocco. In November, 16 people, including three terrorists, died in the bombing of an Israeli-owned hotel in Mombasa, Kenya.

Western intelligence officials say al Qaeda operatives are known to be casing possible targets in Kenya and other East African nations. On May 15, British officials suspended flights to and from Kenya after raising the perceived threat to its commercial flights there to the highest level, "imminent."

Homeland Security Department officials said that given the likelihood that thieves and not al Qaeda are behind the 727's disappearance, there is no cause for grave alarm.

"Yes, there is concern, and an ongoing search, but it is not one that could be described as a desperate search," said Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse.

U.S. spy satellites have snapped pictures of remote airstrips throughout Africa, starting with ones that are within half a fuel tank's distance from Luanda's "4 de Fevereiro" International Airport. The 28-year-old 727 had taken on 14,000 gallons of A-1 jet fuel shortly before it departed.

U.S. embassy personnel are traveling around Africa to ask host aviation ministries for any sign of the aircraft. "They haven't seen hide nor hair of it," said one government official. "It's so odd."

A large number of people and companies have owned, leased or subleased the aircraft in recent years. U.S. officials say that a few have been involved in shady endeavors. One firm recently involved in owning or leasing it, a U.S. official said, "has a history of allowing aircraft to be used by people for illegal things."

According to the private Airclaims airplane database, the 727's current owner is a Miami-based firm called Aerospace Sales & Leasing Co., which bought it in 2001 after it was flown by American Airlines for decades. In 1997, Aerospace Sales's president, Maury Joseph, was barred from running any publicly traded firm after he was convicted of forging documents and defrauding investors by exaggerating the profits of another company he ran, Florida West Airlines.

Joseph's son, Lance Joseph, said the company has committed no wrong. He said a firm that had leased the plane from Aerospace Sales -- a company whose name he said he couldn't recall -- had removed the seats and replaced them with fuel tanks. It flew the 727 to Luanda with a plan to deliver fuel to remote African airfields, he said.

According to the Airclaims database, a company called Irwin Air had planned to buy the 727 last month. No more information could be learned about the company.

Helder Preza, Angola's aviation director, told the Portuguese radio network RDP that the plane arrived in Luanda in March 2002, but that authorities prevented it from flying on because "the documentation we held did not pertain to the aircraft in question."

Angolan officials also demanded stiff ramp fees as well as settlement of private liens on the 727, Joseph said. Aerospace Sales was settling the disputes and planning to repossess the aircraft and fly it away when the 727 -- one of about 1,100 worldwide -- disappeared, he said.

Joseph also said that in recent months a former Aerospace Sales associate with whom he has had bitter financial disputes, Miami aircraft broker Mike Gabriel, had been in Africa stating that he planned to stop the plane's repossession and make a claim on it.

In the 1980s, Gabriel was convicted of importing 5,000 pounds of marijuana. He did not return messages left at his office requesting comment, and his attorney, Jack Attias, declined to comment.

Preza, the Angolan official, said that "the owner of the aircraft contacted us saying he wished to fly out of Angola." Then, he added, a man who presented himself as "the legitimate representative of the aircraft's owner'' -- a man Preza described as a U.S. citizen but whom he declined to name -- entered the aircraft. Moments later, Preza said, the man flew the plane away.

"The person who flew out the plane was no stranger to the aircraft," Preza said.

Another twist in the case is that the State Department is asking its diplomats in Africa, in searching for the 727, to ask host governments whether they have any information about two men that its cables say "reportedly" own the plane -- Ben Padilla and John Mikel Mutantu. The men are not listed as owners on any public database, and no other information about them was available.

Aviation expert Yates said the plane might never be located. "I suspect it's disappeared into the murky world of African aviation," he said.

Staff researchers Margot Williams and Mary Louise White contributed to this report.
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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby Paz » Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:51 pm

 So let me see if I understand this:
 In Africa...you can walk into an airport...say you are the pilot...get in a 727...take on 14,000 pounds of fuel...and fly away with no flight plan or further information, or investigation....ok... ???
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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby Wing Nut » Wed Jun 18, 2003 1:56 pm

Sorry about that,  I followed a link from the Yahoo front page and wasn't subjected to a survey.  I hate it when sites do that kind of crap.  If I had known, I would have pasted it myself...
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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby ozzy72 » Wed Jun 18, 2003 2:04 pm

Hmm so if I went on holiday there I could 'borrow' a jet, they'd fuel it up for me and I could just disappear....
Hmm are there any 747s in Angola? And where is the nearest decent bridge ;D ;D ;D
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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby BFMF » Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:10 pm

Hmm so if I went on holiday there I could 'borrow' a jet, they'd fuel it up for me and I could just disappear....
Hmm are there any 747s in Angola? And where is the nearest decent bridge ;D ;D ;D


Sounds good ;D
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Re: It's not like losing your car keys..

Postby Blade » Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:56 pm

In Africa the countries are so destabalized no one files a flight plan or anything, sometimes they don't contact the tower. Basically I'm guessing the plane is hidden under some trees deep in the African jungle. I wouldn't doubt that its being used as a smuggling plane, it can carry alot of stuff. But the fuel part worries me.
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