1066?

[Woodlouse2002]

Ok lads lets try this one out. Remember, NO cheating.

Now heres a clue. There all great navy dates.

1588,

1805 (21 october),

1898,

1904,

1915 (24 january),

1916 (31 may),

1918,

1939 (13 december),

1941 (23 may),

1941 (25 may),

1943 ( 26 december),


So there you go. I shall write my answers either later tonight or tomorrow. Good luck!

[RichieB16]

I have one date to add Woody, what happened on April 21, 1918?

[Felix/FFDS]

1588,  Spansih Armade defeated

1805 (21 october),   Lord Nelson killed by sniper

1898,   Battle of Santiago, Cuba (Spanish American War)  (Yes, Manila Bay was also fought that year)

1904,  Attack by japanese at Port Arthur

1915 (24 january),   Battle of Dogger Bank

1916 (31 may),   Battle of Jutland

1918 - WW1 ended, but British and Japanese landed troops in Valdivostok.

1939 (13 december), Battle of Rio Plata - Graf Spee scuttled

1941 (23 may), - 1941 (25 may),
23-27 May 1941 - Battle of Denmark Straights - HMS Hood sunk 24May, pursuit follows, Bismark sunkj 27-May

1943 ( 26 december), Battle of North Cape - Scharnhost sunk

[Felix/FFDS]

An Australian machine gunner had good aim and killed a German pilot.

I have one date to add Woody, what happened on April 21, 1918?

[RichieB16]

An Australian machine gunner had good aim and killed a German pilot.

Wow, once again you are right.

[John Stevens]

10AUG1815 Royal Decree of Grace
1863 The pilgramage of Bayoan by Eugenio Maria de Hostos
1898 The PR claims independance from Spain, is captured by the US and made a territory of US ending Spanich colonialism in Western Hemisphere. Big year for PR
1905 The original Coat of Arms of PR was adopted.
That the best I can recall from history

[Stegahorse]

1066 would seem to hve something to do with the Moors and El Cid
1588 The defeat of the Spanish Armada

[SilverFox441]

We can only assume that the Aussie MG gunner had fallen out of a plane?

The fatal shot came from above and to the left of Richtofen's Tripe...not a good spot for anybody but Roy Brown...the person who is officially credited with the kill. Earlier claims that the bullet came from below have been discounted as better forensic science makes bullet wounds better understood.

As for Brown lying, that's a load of BS.

Brown never claimed to have shot down Richtofen. He claimed, through normal procedures, to have shot down a Fokker Tripe at a specific location. After investigation it was determined that he had shot it down and it was Richofen's.

The only lie I've ever seen associated with that event is a claim that one of the Aussie gunner's had stated that he and his mates had shot down Richtofen. The claim was made by an Aussie museum. The gunner involved clearly, and repeatedly, stated that he hadn't even seen a Fokker Tripe at low altitude near their gun position that day.

If you want to sully the name of a VC winner...how about doing it with facts and not snide accusations?

[RichieB16]

Actually, there was recently a very indepth study on the events which led to the death of Manfred von Richthofen.  It turned out that he was killed by a machine gunner on the ground, not Roy Brown (or Snoopy-lol).  That mans name was Snowy Evans-a lowely Australlian gunner of whom no photos exist, he was not killed by the famous Roy Brown.

[Felix/FFDS]

Not bad for going from memory... if mine serves me right, PR had just been granted self-government in 1898, as a step towards - some thought independence, others wanted full incorporation as a full Spanish province ... seems that 105 years later, nothing has changed, only the "colonial"  power...

1898 The PR claims independance from Spain, is captured by the US and made a territory of US ending Spanich colonialism in Western Hemisphere. Big year for PR

[SilverFox441]

My bad.

Brown won the DSC not the VC.

How did Snowy Evans...an assistant gunner get the kill?

Revisionist history.

Buie, the actual gunner, is the fellow who said he didn't shoot the Baron. Therefore a "new" study suddenly claims his assistant, who wasn't on the gun, got the kill.

Facts are facts.

The fatal shot came from behind.
The plane crashes only some 80 yards from the Aussie gun position.
Brown had overshot low and the the right after his first burst.

There is only one thing that makes sense.

Brown killed the Baron...and revisionist history be damned.

If an Aussie gunner got the baron he must have been sitting on the cowling of Brown's Camel. Neither Brown nor any other observer reports such a man.

[Felix/FFDS]

The Toronto Star printed an article that indicates researchers from the Discovery Channel, reached the conclusion that Roy Brown was firing from the wrong angle/side and concludes that it was an Australian gunner - not necessarily Snowy..... However, the same article also cautions that the actual "whodunnit" may never be fully resolved.  The Discovery Channel came to its "conclusion" using 3D modelling (although it beats me how the various paths of several airplanes could be accurately tracked if no film record/evidence was made at the time), BUT another 'expert'  on the matter concluded that the Channel made the correct determination for the wrong reasons.  Finally, it is my understanding that Brown claimed to have shot at a Triplane that went down vertically, whereas the Richtofen Triplane came down in a semicontrolled landing (ie , not vertical)

I do not believe that Roy Brown was actually credited with the kill, but that the history books - for the most part - recognize him as the one who fired the fatal shot.

[SilverFox441]

That Discovery Channel bit has caused a lot of heartache for many people...

The historian working with them says they had a chance to do some real work and they didn't do it. He went on to say they ignored evidence on both sides of the controversy.

Brown never claimed he shot down that specific aircraft. He did claim he shot down a dominantly red Triplane at that location...or very close nearby. In one of those strange twists Brown kill totals reflect the Tripe kill...but he is not officially credited with the kill of MvR. The only official document that reflects Brown shot down MvR is a report by an Aussie Army officer!

[visitor]

I'm not much on history, but this tread
got me started looking around and I
found this, as to old and new world
This one goes way back,
Check it out!

 http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/histdate/

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[Smoke2much]

It is a well known historical fact that the Red Baron was abducted by Aliens who left a fake corpse behind to confuse us for 90 years.  Von Richthofen is currently living with Elvis, they run a small bar together in Des Moines.


Will