Am I becoming a grumpy old man?

[Cusance]

..... it usually Looks easy in the point of view who those who has never made a repaint ,a scenery add-on or and airplane ,But believe me ..Its very hard trust me..

It can take many many hours days and years sometimes to make a single airplane....
yes i am aware of this. i have made many hence my annoyance with people who do shoddy work. it doesnt help anyone. go learn a bit more instead.
As to the other comments, I have not found one plane in the FSX I bought from microsoft that did not have a VC.
i never had 2004 so cant comment on that, or even what an upgrade from 2004 to FSX provides. however you are missing the point;
i dont care that it hasnt a VC, but just SAY SO. And dont call it FSX compatible. without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.
And dont frig with settings and scenery that renders features in FSX inoperable. that doesnt please anyone either. thats a bit like providing a socalled photographic scenery, where its always 'summer' rendering winter setting from Microsoft inoperable.

[Cusance]

[b][i]in the first place

[Cusance]

Can you image the rants if they was talking about payware that didn't suit them

We WERENT talking about payware and WERENT talking about freeware not suiting us. At least I wasnt.
I WAS talking about stuff that doesnt really work or renders part of FSX inoperable.
should this occur with payware, then it should be returned. although it probably would not have been purchased in the first place.
Again i make it clear that I do not care what stuff people post, just make it clear what it does and doesnt do and do not make unwarranted claims as to compatibility.All to frequently I see posts under the label 2004/FSX or such like when infact its only a 2004 plane that kinda works in FSX. what use is that. Just wastes a lot of time in my opinion.
You would not accept a CD player that only played the first 12 tracks of an old CD for example. I think you would reject this as NOT being fully compatible.
i know, a stupid example, but you get my drift.

[FoxThree]

And Pete can You please Put the native list in a sticky, Please?

It's been there for years ...

that list needs to be updated

An updated list can be found here.

[Jokerc152]

Dunno about the rest of you guys but I hate aircraft without a vc :/

[rodericksnr]

Am I becoming a grumpy old man?

YES!!!

Well you did ask. You can always delete the offending file and fly something else. Its quicker than ranting into two pages here.

[Xpand]

without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.

Sorry, it's time for me to step in...
This is the most common of the softwares that are used to make planes for FS:
gmax:
http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry ... Screen.jpg
This software enables the instalation of an SDK (Software Development Kit) that enables the creation of add-ons for specified games. In this case we have the FSX SDK installed, which you can see on the top bar in this screenshot:


That is also the exterior model of a plane... The group of parts that make up the exterior model is called "exterior".
Then, for the VC there's a diferent model from the exterior model's cockpit, whose parts are grouped in a group called "interior".


When you export for FSX the exporter first looks to see if you have an "exterior" and "interior" group. If you have both it spits out two files, one for the exterior model and the other for the VC.


However, if you do not have a VC group (Interior) the converter will only produce the exterior file. That DOES NOT mean that the plane isn't FSX native. I hope this cleared things up...

[Cusance]

Am I becoming a grumpy old man?

YES!!!

Well you did ask. You can always delete the offending file and fly something else. Its quicker than ranting into two pages here.

I didnt rant. i merely expressed an opinion. then other attributed to me opinions I had NOT expressed. all I said was that if the thing hasnt got a VC. dont call it FSX compatible. Neither did I mention whether that means the plane is not Native FSX. I never commented on that. Just please make it clear that it hasnt a VC so i dont waste time downloading and installing. Ofcourse I delete these installs. But that wasnt the point.

[Cusance]

without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.

However, if you do not have a VC group (Interior) the converter will only produce the exterior file. That DOES NOT mean that the plane isn't FSX native. I hope this cleared things up...

I never commented on whether a plane is native or not. that is of no interest to me. I merely said that without a VC dont call it FSX compatible. Maybe people do not understand the meaning of MS FSX compatible in the true sense of the word. IF MS released a plane design and said FSX compatible and after installation you would find that there was no VC you would object wouldnt you?
whether the design is free or not isnt relevant nor wether its native or not. I have never said anything else.

[Hagar]

I merely said that without a VC dont call it FSX compatible. Maybe people do not understand the meaning of MS FSX compatible in the true sense of the word.

I'd like to point out that I've never associated an FSX-compatible aircraft with a VC. Compatible means that it displays & functions properly in the appropriate version of FS, nothing more.

Am I becoming a grumpy old man?

Guilty as charged.

Another old Grumpy.

[Bud Greene]

maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.  You need to remember this is FREEWARE, not payware.  Have some courtesy and respect for those who take the time to try and improve simaviation and ask for nothing in return.  As a "professional" you should already know that if you don't like the way something is done then do it yourself.

[Cusance]

maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.

[jetprop]

maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.

[andy190]

maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.

[Xpand]

Well, as an FS developer, apreciate constructive criticism... Of course, saying that you don't like a plane because it has no VC does not qualify as constructive criticism. It takes enormous amounts of research to make a decent VC. I have my Yak-15 stopped for 4 months now due to the lack of pictures of certain parts of the cockpit...