Defualt CRJ-700 Startup problems

[Aiden327]

Today I decided to try starting up my own airliners. I happen to have alot of information on the CRJ-700 and it also is the most common aircraft at my local airport.

However I cannot get the engines started. I am using the only dark cockpit save file I can find for FSX (its on the misc 1 page here) to turn everything off. I have followed 3 different checklists and 2 youtube videos as well but every time I get up to the starter switches nothing works. I hit Starter 1 or 2 and the N1 goes up to 8.3 and stays there and when I turn off the starter it goes down to 0. I have checked the fuel cutoff's, hydraulics, gen switches, and everything matches the pre-start and before start checks as well as the start-up procedures. I have tried infinite fuel options, full fuel, haven't tried the fuel truck as it always gets stuck and never works...

I also cannot find the avionics switch in the virtual cockpit or 2d panels wich means I need to use the keyboard to turn it on. The checklist also calls for Fuel flow valves, Fuel Rich valves which I assume are the red levers under the throttle levers and the boost pumps....It feels like there are so many switches and buttons missing in the defualt aircraft. Some aircraft even are missing panel light switches even though they work with the keyboard commands.

[Flying Mouse]

I use the very same file you are using.

I also do cold start-ups on any aircraft I fly.

The biggest I have yet flown was the Lear Jet 45. She starts up fine, just as the many other props I have flown to date.

I really doubt it is the cold startup file.

I strictly use this sites checklist as they are meant for Flight Sim's:

http://freechecklists.net/simchecklists.asp

Goodluck  ;)

[BFMF]

Do you have problems starting it up without this cold/dark cockpit file?

[Aiden327]

Flying Mouse - I actually have used one of those. I have tried Rodger Dodger aswell and many videos.

Esselbach - I have always used ctrl-E before. However if I load the defualt flight is is a lonely cessna 152 with the bat, avionics, and starter switches off and no fuel. Perfect cold start for a cessna and Im able to start it up with no problems. So I assume that when the crj loads it will have the same properties as all the other aircraft I have tested. I have no trouble starting any of them.

The missing avionics switch in the CRJ might also mean that something else is missing that only the  Auto start knows how to turn on. I have searched the VC of the CRJ with head tracking and looked in every possible location for a switch or lever I missed.

[BFMF]

hmm, the last time I used a cold/dark cockpit gauge/utility, it gave me problems so I ditched it. So, whenever I'm done with a flight, I shut it all down and save it. The next time I load the flight, I'm right where I left it with everything set the way I want it

It is not uncommon for aircraft to be missing basic, yet vital system switches. I tend to go into the key mapping controlls and set my own key commands for avionics master switches, and others...

[Aiden327]

This file is just the default flight file I replaced. Works by changing the state of the default flight which is used as a template for the aircraft state of new flights.

I am going to try an make my own to see if there's a difference. The funny thing is I cannot find the avionics switch at all in the CRJ. I remember FS2004 learjet was missing some light switches that mad FDC Live cockpit insane because it wanted certain lights. Now FDC live cockpit is the only way to turn on the avionics if its a interactive checklist item in the crj.

I am going to try the CRJ again. Better yet, Ill start the engines with crtl-e and then shut them down myself and make it the default flight if it works.

Also the EICAS fuel display seemed a bit odd, there where circles with lines through them between the engines and the fuel tanks and the only green parts were the pipes from the engines the the grates but I am sure I switched the fuel cutoffs on and off and there was no change.

[Hagar]

Apparently the CRJ has no avionics master switch. There is no default key stroke for this either. One solution is to assign a key or joystick button to 'Master battery (on/off)' from FSX Settings/Controls.

[Aiden327]

Yep, I will do that. The next thing is to get the engines to start though. they just wind up to 8 N1 and die when I turn the starter off. When the auto start does it, they stay around 8 N1 for a few seconds and than jump too what ever the correct N1 would be, I think around 30-40 N1.

This is really bugging me becuase I spent a few hours programing the checklist into FDC so I could use it after I mastered it without FDC...

[Hagar]

I am using the only dark cockpit save file I can find for FSX (its on the misc 1 page here)

This might sound stupid but I haven't got FSX so I can't check it out. Have you checked the fuel? I note the file description mentions empty fuel tanks.

[Aiden327]

I called the fuel truck, it stopped far away and nothing happend. I also need to read the tutorial on it. When that failed I went into the fuel option under the ALT menu and set full tanks. The EICAS read full tanks in the cockpit but the display wasn't showing a green connection all the way through despite the fuel cut-off positions.

Picture of a CRJ EICAS here, its the top right display - http://www.npsimpanel.net/_/rsrc/123340 ... _eicas.jpg

I have tried with fuel pumps on and off, same for hydro pumps and virtually every combination of switches on the overhead panel...  :(

[Hagar]

Are the generators switched On? You might need to assign a key or button to it.

[Aiden327]

checklist says for gen1 and gen2 to be off until after start but I have tried them both ways. Apu Gen is also on as well as the Apu start switch.

[Flying Mouse]

Back from a long day at work, so I got myself a CRJ700 checklist, printed it out.

I loaded the CRJ700 at a gate. Like I mentioned, I have been using the same file as you for a long time now. The cold start file in the misc section.

I started this baby up using the checklist in the link I posted in my 1st post.

Here is it:

PRE-Start Checklist:

Parking Brake:

[Fr. Bill]

Use Ctl-Shift-F4 to force the Fuel Valves open...

[Aiden327]

It works! I set the red levers to cut-off, followed the checklist. Turned on the APU and didn't hear it go on, hit crt-altF4 twice and the fuel screen went green and the APU kicked in, hit the starter, engine 2 started, then  generators on and engines stable.

Thank you all for your quick replies, I can't believe that that command was left out on so many checklists...

- Aiden