FS Autostart or Cacheman in FSX???

[lost16]

Well I looked at it again and you had the 2900xtx (the 12in super hot early version released to devs only) listed.  I get the implied NDA in your response.  Was hoping for some objectivity in the debate, but not willing to part with almost $500.00 to get it (lol).  Thanks anyway.


                                                   Will

[Nick N]

Sorry Will

I have to plead the 5th on that one for right now.

Things got changed and moved around back in May and I got in a bit of a spot for posting benchmarks so I really can

[lost16]

Thanks for the update.

[Nick N]

[quote]Thanks for the update.

[lost16]

 Interesting.  Will there be intel compatable r600 chipset motherboards or will AMD use the chipset as leverage to "encourage" users to adopt Barcelona (much like MS forcing XP users to Vista to get the benefits of DX10)?  From what I've been reading about Barcelona by the time its gets released in 3ghz + models, intel will have blown by AMD with the new Penryn.  Hopefully with nvidias 9 series and ATI's r700, there will be some better mid range cards than the current 2600-8600 models (2400-8400 not worth mentioning).

[Nick N]

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[lost16]

 Sounds like intel chipsets will get screwed by both sides.  ATI and Nviida will probably offer 'standard' and 'enhanced' versions of their chipsets.  Intel chipsets will have access to 'standard' features from both manufacturers.  AMD will have 'enhanced' features if you buy one of theirs (especially if you use Barcelona).  Nvidia will do the same if you get one of their chipsets.  However, Nvidia probably will give you 'enhanced' features if you use Intel and Nvidias chipset, as they won't be inclined to do the same for arch-rival, AMD.  Intel will get p-o ed and start a three way race in the video card buisiness with their own 'enhanced' chipset and cards.  In the end, more choices for consumer and harder to figure out the best combination.  If nvidia and intel merge all bets are off though.  Just conjecture on my part, but with the nature of the computer buisiness, would not be surprised to see this play out.

[Nick N]

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[macca22au]

But it all means that in 6-12 months we will be purchasing new GPUs, chipsets and CPUs.

I can hardly imagine our 6 month old chipsets handling the new CPUs and dual GPUs.

To play the game well it will mean another $5000 Australian.

For the small flightsim world, Microsoft has rammed us up the proverbial with FSX.

All through 'accidentally' over-specifying the game by TWO generations of hardware.

[lost16]

 No, the goal appears to be to make your computer more game console like.  Instead of buying a new video card or processor, you will have to buy both in one package.  Think of your processor and video combined into one chip instead of the current two seperate parts (proccessor chip and video card).  So less choice for consumer as you will have a low, medium, and high end gpu/cpu options only.  No more for example getting mid range processor so you can save the extra cash and get high-end vid card.  These gpu/cpu chips will have the advantage of not being tied to and limited by the motherboard FSB, because all caluclating and rendering will be done inside the chip before the resulting images are sent through the motherboard, ram, and finally to your display.  So your computer is basically an xbox with a keyboard and mouse.  In the long run this will be more expensive as you cannot upgrade your video without upgrading your processor or visa versa

[MOUSY]

This is all rather scary....

[macca22au]

Thanks lost16 but I'm with Mouse - it sounds scary because of my limited computer knowledge (although FSX has extended my computer skills and understanding enormously through desperation).

Tell me in time terms.

Will I have one more iteration of the standard desktop format - motherboard, GPUs, CPU, etc - before this integrated cpu/gpu chipset turns up.  

Or is this what I will be buying next year?

[lost16]

 It will be a few years at least.  AMD is taking it on the chin from competing with Intel.  AMD has been losing money trying to keep up with Intel and its price cuts (the latest round this week) and may have hard time finding needed cash to keep its product advancements going.  Read this for clarification http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33122/118/  .    Not only does AMD have to get its vision to market, but Intel and Nvidia have to come to conclusion that this is next wave of computer tech and jump on the emulation bandwagon so that everyone has similar products.  This kind of product has more of advantage in smaller tech items (think laptops, cell phones, tablet pc, blackberry, et al) because of its size, before it goes to desktops.

[Nick N]

They have been busy while I was away on vacation. They went from 1 to 1.5 teraflops, not bad for 3 months R&D

In one demonstration, ATI showed 1.5 teraflops of runtime computing ability for a live demo with a lot of demanding 3D effects. It was part of a game which will be coming out before too long and showed a stunning 3D flight through a forest, over some water, past a bird in flight, through the grass and much more. Another demo showed a single machine doing gaming and realtime MPEG encoding on the frame-by-frame generated images for the game. That information was transmitted across a network to be shown on two other computers. It worked so smoothly on the single machine that it almost could not be understood what was taking place. But, according to AMD, it was doing 100% realtime encoding of the images while generating them. The presenter made a point of indicating just how compute intensive this was.

That is where it is going. Having the insane bandwidth and ability put on a wafer with minimum components in between.

That does not mean a laptop will outdo a desktop, but, the money is in consumer level electronics such as TVs DVRs etc, and servers so having that ability removes Intel and Nvidia as any threat and placing themselves in markets they were not touching in the past along with taking over the OEM end


Its all a matter of getting it from R&D to market, and getting the market to accept the technology.

Let the stock drop... every day it goes down, I buy

LOL

[Tango Charlie 123]

Hi guys
it has been nice reading but Nick can you tell me will this work under Vista home basic on a Toshiba a200 xo1 laptop (lower end of the market machine) FSX runs just ok but if I ramp up all the settings it begins to stutter have two machines set the same way.

thanks in advance for the good work