Nick - FSX Setup w/ info you asked

[NickN]

I am looking at the Manual for the tower now to see if it has the BIOS listings

[NickN]

You said you do not have Ntune on your system

Are you aware you may be able to access memory and other settings using Ntune IF the BIOS has the support enabled?

NOTE: To enable overclocking of other system components, you first need to enable the Performance Application Support option in BIOS and then download an application like NVIDIA nTune version 5.0 or higher.

You may be able to gain access to vcore, memory, timing, multipler setting etc with that feature enabled and the latest version of Ntune running

Lets leave that for last but do set these other settings in the BIOS...

SMART Reporting = OFF
Multiple CPU Core = ON
SpeedStep = OFF
Virtualization = OFF
HDD Acoustic Mode = PERFORMANCE

[flavio]

ok ill do the bios right now. there is also this Ce1 or c1e thing that is OFF at the momoent.

test fsx again, frames locked at 30 got rid of big stutters. little micro stutters still remain in view panning and turning but not bit at all though. soemtiems texture will sharpen as i look and autogen pops up, but not that noticeably either.

put up building storms and frames seemed to dip from 30 more often, but basically nothing changed.

my concern wuold then be what if im flying in chicago? or with addon aircraft where the fps is ognna go below 30, should i unlimit it then?

[NickN]

CE1 should be disabled, yes

Inside heavy urban areas switch to unlimted, yes.. outside lock at 30

That is how I run too or I can see micro stutters.. it smooths out when I swtich to one or the other depending on the area being flown


This sounds to me like the memory speed/timing may be causing this. I can not be sure of that but I really think what you are seeing here is the result of a very slow memory subsystem... the description you gave sounds like that would be the reason. Add in NOD32 running and it just magnifies the issue.


The next step I want you to try after confirming the BIOS settings I posted is to DISABLE UTX completely and retest. Open the UTX interface, under the menu ULTIMATE TERRAIN select the "Quick UT ENABLE/DISABLE and then select to DISABLE UT

make sure FSX is closed before you do that..

The fly again... test locked 30 and unlocked


If you are still seeing the same result re-enable UTX.

I do not see any other addon that can be causing this.

Past that I must conclude (remotely) this may very well be a result of that memory speed and timing or chipset of that motherboard.

You can try working the Texture Bandwidth Multiplier too.. I had you set it to 70... try 80 and retest... if its worse, drop it to 60, then 50. Find the value that works the best for BOTH texture display and smoothness and DONT forget to test with both LOCKED 30 and Unlimited for each test run. TBM should not exceed 90 and 40 is the lowest I would run.


I think it is safe to go ahead and enable your Windows items we disabled earlier. I do question the NOD32 app at this point and I am waiting to hear back about the startup files however if the stuttering issue was exactly the same then I think we have eliminated those startup items and services. Reset them back to where they were.

I would check into that BIOS setting with Ntune and see if you can gain access to better memory and CPU performance

[flavio]

Did all the bios adjustments.

The only setting I had to change waws the hard drive. It is now noticeably louder, so I think ill get some performance out of that.

Ran FSX, now unlimited deosnt stutter like before. HOwever, 30 is still better in non heavy situations.

I do question the NOD32 app at this point and I am waiting to hear back about the startup files however if the stuttering issue was exactly the same then I think we have eliminated those startup items and services.

im sorry i dont follow you here! if you mean the startup msconfig stuff? theyre off just like you said.

as of right now the only stutters i get are pretty small, micro, when turning and panning fast. teh major ones are gone. thats after doing msconfig and bios.

i will now test TBM and UTX.

[flavio]

Ran without UTX.

FSX now looks mighty bad. I am sorry but there is just no way to fly without UTX, period. My hometown looks like crap now lol.

Turning UTX off had no impact in performace. If anything, i get slightly more stuttering and slightly more AG popping then before. One interesting thing is that with UTX off, unlimited is smoother then locked at 30.

I guess that means UTX gets back on!!!

Will now try changing TBM values.

[NickN]

Did all the bios adjustments.

The only setting I had to change waws the hard drive. It is now noticeably louder, so I think ill get some performance out of that.

Ran FSX, now unlimited deosnt stutter like before. HOwever, 30 is still better in non heavy situations.

I do question the NOD32 app at this point and I am waiting to hear back about the startup files however if the stuttering issue was exactly the same then I think we have eliminated those startup items and services.

im sorry i dont follow you here! you mean the startup msconfig stuff? theyre off just like you said.

as of right now the only stutters i get are pretty small, micro, when turning and panning fast. teh major ones are gone. thats after doing msconfig and bios.

i will now test TBM and UTX.

What I meant about NOD is I am waiting to hear back from ESET about the newer version to see if they have changed something in the last several months I am not aware of which is making the application hit the system harder than it did in the past.

I think this all goes back to the memory subsystem. For the most part what you are now describing sounds normal for a system when it has a bottleneck in hardware. In your case the memory running DDR2800 at CAS 6-6 is slow. For perf it should be running 4-4-4 or at the very outside 5-5-5. If its possible to get the memory to run faster at 5-5-5 I am sure that would help with this however that all goes back to what that motherboard will allow access to through Ntune. I don

[flavio]

should i turn nod back on? how do i got about doing that lol

i am actually running 2 x 1 gb samsung and 2 X 512 nanya or watever its called in dual channel, sam dim 1 and 2, nanya 3 and 4.

i believe that its running at 6 6 6 18 at 400 mhz. its says they could run 4 4 4 12 at 266 mhz, which is what my fsb is running (im using everest to check this stuff)

do you think i should try ntune? my only question is ive seen ntune before and there are not 5 memory number things, but like 15 of them, like tras tras to tlat cas cas to whatever. i dunno which ones to change to

[NickN]

This is a groovy little tool and I do not know if it will work on that motherboad but you can try it..


download and install this

http://www.tweakers.fr/download/MemSet.exe


may ask for a reboot.. dont remember.. if so, do as it commands

NOTE: Anyone who downloads that assumes the RISK of using it

That may give you direct access to that memory. The problem is I KNOW you can not change primary CAS latency or the first number in the list using memset. That must be done in the BIOS which is why I don

[NickN]

[quote]should i turn nod back on? how do i got about doing that lol

i am actually running 2 x 1 gb samsung and 2 X 512 nanya or watever its called in dual channel, sam dim 1 and 2, nanya 3 and 4.

i believe that its running at 6 6 6 18 at 400 mhz. its says they could run 4 4 4 12 at 266 mhz, which is what my fsb is running (im using everest to check this stuff)

do you think i should try ntune? my only question is ive seen ntune before and there are not 5 memory number things, but like 15 of them, like tras tras to tlat cas cas to whatever. i dunno which ones to change to

[flavio]

Alright ill give it a whirl right now

[flavio]

well that PERFORMANCE LEVEL option doesnt even show up for me.

this is what i see:



no tRD in sight, on that note, no tREF either.

i really think you did everything that was possible. my system is completely held back by this stupid BTX motherboard that is totally limited by dell.

it will not let me do ANYTHNG other then increase the CPU mult to 13 (which it came from dell as). thats the only OC/tweak that can be done on this board.

well i REALLY appreciate all the work you put in helping me out, and i can tell you i came out much more computer savvy then i came in.

3 great things came out of this:

-> fsx runs with huge frames and looks beautiful, at least 10X better then before. i have more features on, performace tripled (FPS, literally) and it got smoother (but is limited by my hardware now)

-> my computer is lightning fast now compared to before, will run anything else i throw at it REALLY fast

-> i can look forward to setting myself free come january! its something to look forward to!  :)

[NickN]

Yep

Thats what I was afraid of... no access to that 680i chipset.

The ONLY thing you are going to be able to do is install Ntune

If it gives you access to the FSB and allows you to set it to 400 with a CPU multiplier of 9 and a vcore of 1.44v that will give you 3.6GHz but you must follow the directions I posted about temps in the thread above. It may be possible Ntune will allow that access.. I would check it out and see what it offers

Baring that.. your screwed by Dell, nothing new


I did everything I could short of thowing the kitchen sink in this.. I think it all comes down to that Dell system but then again, Ntune may get you more than you have now and you can use the info in this thread to try and get more out of the system with Ntune.


You can uninstall memset

[flavio]

Well wouldnt you know it.

cant use nTune.

as soon as i even microscopically change ANYTHING the system freezes. got the multiplier to 9 on BIOS, then went to ntune, but any change the system just locks and i gotta restart.

my friend, it is the end!

AND MAYBE I WILL THROW TEH KITCHEN SINK ON THE COMPTUER LOL!!!!!!

i hope other people can use this thread to their advantage.

[NickN]

you have to raise the vcore on the processor.. does it allow a procesor voltage change?

If not.. you be done cause you cant run a 64nm Quad at 3.6 without 1.44v of vcore

I also walked another member through a clock in this thread after he purchased the RIGHT hardware and got rid of his nvidia board.

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 1223693603


so follow that thread through to the end and thats how its done on a good motherboard like the x48

of course hes on DDR2 but DDR3 is basically the same, just higher memory speed and timing