landing advice (picture) tell me what you think?

[tcco94]

Seems like most of the people on here dont even wanna help instead they just make the person who asked looked like a dumbass.

That seems a bit harsh, considering that every question you've asked has been answered.

You asked about ILS, so I posted links to the best tutorials I know of, you then ignored those, so I posted them again because they really will help you.

People here do want to help you, but it seems that you don't want take the advice given.

TSC.

Well those I did read those websites that you gave me. They were sortof hard to understand when i dont know what all the bottons are and he's talking like a pro at it. I was just better off taking the lessons that flight simualtor x offered considering thats what i should of done in the first place but i dint know what to do to make a straight landing. Sorry

[TSC.]

Well those I did read those websites that you gave me. They were sortof hard to understand when i dont know what all the bottons are and he's talking like a pro at it. I was just better off taking the lessons that flight simualtor x offered considering thats what i should of done in the first place but i dint know what to do to make a straight landing. Sorry

Glad you read the links, maybe they are a little advanced at the moment, but you'll soon see how everything falls into place.

Fozz has a great picture somewhere that labels & tells you what each instrument is, I've just done a search but can't find it, so I'll PM him & see if he'll put the picture in this thread. That should clear things up a bit more.

The only other way to learn ILS easily is to have somebody else on a multiplayer with a headset & mic that can talk you through the procedure, what buttons to push & why. I've done this before with a couple of members & they learnt quite quickly. Although I only have FS9, not FSX.

TSC.

[todayshorse]

One thing i found a long while back was a 'trident autoland tutorial' on david maltbys site. Its specfic to the HS trident and its autoland capabilities but the principles in the tutorial you can apply to just about any jet bar the actual flare and rollout bit. Its written by an ex trident pilot so who else better to learn the principles!

The tridents autopilot is a little different to the 737's but the basics are the same. In fact as an aircraft to practise shooting ILS approaches and circuits, i cant think of a better freeware aircraft as it does it all, including 'kick off drift', the flare and rollout bang on the center line.

Maybe getting a little advanced here but once the trident is set up on a full autoland you can sit back and watch then apply what youve watched , learn, then do it yourself!

I use the same basic system on most aircraft airliner wise, its very good.

Dont know if it works in fsx but its a good read over a coffee

http://www.dmflightsim.co.uk/hs121_trident.htm

[Fozzer]

Well those I did read those websites that you gave me. They were sortof hard to understand when i dont know what all the bottons are and he's talking like a pro at it. I was just better off taking the lessons that flight simualtor x offered considering thats what i should of done in the first place but i dint know what to do to make a straight landing. Sorry :(

Glad you read the links, maybe they are a little advanced at the

moment, but you'll soon see how everything falls into place.

Fozz has a great picture somewhere that labels & tells you what each instrument is, I've just done a search but can't find it, so I'll PM him & see if he'll put the picture in this thread. That should clear things up a bit more.

The only other way to learn ILS easily is to have somebody else on a multiplayer with a headset & mic that can talk you through the procedure, what buttons to push & why. I've done this before with a couple of members & they learnt quite quickly. Although I only have FS9, not FSX.

TSC.

At your service, Chums... ;)...!

I think one or two (maybe three!) fellow simmers have found it useful... :)...>>>>



I hope it works for you... ....(similar to Viarga... [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]...).

Cheers, Lads... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]...!

Paul..G-BPLF... 8-)...!

Regarding Nav Aids...

As TSC mentioned;

A good tip is to arrange to fly online together, using the Cessna 172 Trainer, with someone who is familiar with the excellent Bendix-King Radio Stack.
They will then be able to instruct you as you fly together.
Easy-peasy, then... ...!

[reider]

Nice post Fozzer, much appreciated by all I`m sure.

Reider

[Fozzer]

Nice post Fozzer, much appreciated by all I`m sure.

Reider

Ta, Reider......!

I am one of the lucky ones who uses the Registered/Payware version of FS Navigator, whereby I obtain all my Navigation Radio Frequencies via the GPS Moving Map during the flight...

These frequencies I then punch into my Bendix-King (or whatever) Radio Stack.

...but I think the same information can/may be gained from the default Flight Sim GPS Map?

Paul....FS 2004....FS Navigator... 8-)...!

[RxZ]

Nice post Fozzer, much appreciated by all I`m sure.

Reider

Ta, Reider......!

I am one of the lucky ones who uses the Registered/Payware version of FS Navigator, whereby I obtain all my Navigation Radio Frequencies via the GPS Moving Map during the flight...

These frequencies I then punch into my Bendix-King (or whatever) Radio Stack.

...but I think the same information can/may be gained from the default Flight Sim GPS Map?

Paul....FS 2004....FS Navigator... 8-)...!

It certainly MAY be obtained from the GPS, but I have not figured that out. However, you can click on the map icon from the 2D cockpit, and it lists all frequencies for just about everything if you zoom in to what you want, and put the mouse on it.  A little pop-up pops up telling you everything.  Most guys here probably know that, but new guys may not.  

[BillG]

Seems like most of the people on here dont even wanna help instead they just make the person who asked looked like a dumbass.

That seems a bit harsh, considering that every question you've asked has been answered.

You asked about ILS, so I posted links to the best tutorials I know of, you then ignored those, so I posted them again because they really will help you.

People here do want to help you, but it seems that you don't want take the advice given.

TSC.

Well those I did read those websites that you gave me. They were sortof hard to understand when i dont know what all the bottons are and he's talking like a pro at it. I was just better off taking the lessons that flight simualtor x offered considering thats what i should of done in the first place but i dint know what to do to make a straight landing. Sorry

Are you sure you're not getting ahead of your skills here? Instrument flying IS hard, there's a lot to learn and it takes time. If you don't yet know what the buttons in your cockpit do, you need to first take a step back and understand the plane you are flying.

Maybe you're trying to learn too many things at once. You should start doing this in a plane that you are already comfortable flying, so you don't even have to think about what the buttons do and how to do the basic flying of the plane. Then start working on things like flying the ILS and other instrument maneuvers. If you take on too much all at once you're just get discouraged.

[RxZ]

Okay well I think I got it. I tested a flight from oakland to san jose but I dint do the ILS but I did manage to get the hoops up right to the runway. I wasnt exactly onto the runway straight on  :-/ but i managed to figure out after taking some lessons when to ease the throttle and i landing alot better and not with all 3 wheels . Im flying right now on my laptop and I think i got it on ILS becuase i turned on the AP and then the NAV hold switch and on the gps i clicked activate to san jose internation. Im not sure if this is ILS but when I clicked NAV hold swith my airplane turned.

I only have 2 questions to ask though.

1. I came from flight simulator 2002 and switched to FSX about 2 weeks ago. On fs 2002 you could like "fast forward" your flights if you know what i mean( like go from san fransico to boston in around 30 mins.)Is there a way you can do that on here?

2. I think i activaded the ILS but when I clicked nav hold switch it turned but it seemed when i looked on the GPS its going in a diffrent direction. Is this ILS? Or should i put it back on the line that it says to go to the airport? :-?

Thanks  :D

OK, I just reread this, and I see part of your problem.  ILS is Instrument Landing System, emphasis on landing.  You can not use ILS to make cross country flights, it only works within a few miles of the airport equiped with ILS.  Second, it is a NAV feature, so you must turn the NAV/GPS knob to NAV for ILS, not GPS.  

Anyway, I am learning this sim as I go, but I think what I jsut said should help you a little bit.

[Brett_Henderson]

Good lord

[tcco94]

Seems like most of the people on here dont even wanna help instead they just make the person who asked looked like a dumbass.

That seems a bit harsh, considering that every question you've asked has been answered.

You asked about ILS, so I posted links to the best tutorials I know of, you then ignored those, so I posted them again because they really will help you.

People here do want to help you, but it seems that you don't want take the advice given.

TSC.

Well those I did read those websites that you gave me. They were sortof hard to understand when i dont know what all the bottons are and he's talking like a pro at it. I was just better off taking the lessons that flight simualtor x offered considering thats what i should of done in the first place but i dint know what to do to make a straight landing. Sorry

Are you sure you're not getting ahead of your skills here? Instrument flying IS hard, there's a lot to learn and it takes time. If you don't yet know what the buttons in your cockpit do, you need to first take a step back and understand the plane you are flying.

Maybe you're trying to learn too many things at once. You should start doing this in a plane that you are already comfortable flying, so you don't even have to think about what the buttons do and how to do the basic flying of the plane. Then start working on things like flying the ILS and other instrument maneuvers. If you take on too much all at once you're just get discouraged.

I know how to fly my airplane and I know half these buttons here. I just dont normally use the radios and such or the certain buttons for the ILS. If your saying start all over and take those lessons agian id rather just not even use the ILS when ive already got the visual flight path working.

[BFMF]

I know how to fly my airplane and I know half these buttons here. I just dont normally use the radios and such or the certain buttons for the ILS. If your saying start all over and take those lessons agian id rather just not even use the ILS when ive already got the visual flight path working.

Ok, so you can fly your aircraft and land on a good sunny day. But what about when you want to fly with real world weather and you end up having to make an approach in instrument conditions at night?

A solid understanding of navigation will let you align up with the runway X amount of miles out without being able to see the runway, and when you pop out from under the clouds and are able to see it through the fog, you're right where you want to be, and you can land on the numbers without breaking a sweat. The satisfaction that you can accomplish that is awsome.

You're looking for the quick, and easy shortcut. Sorry, but it just doesn't come that easy...

[RxZ]

I think what everyone is saying is to go to something slower, pick an airport near your home that you are familiar with, and practice flying the pattern and touch-and-goes until you can do it second-nature.  This will develop your skills at the approach and final.  Yes, reading the lessons and flying them a few times will help, it did for me.

I am not a pilot, and only started with FSX 2 months ago, and I have yet to fly a big jet simply because everything happens much to fast for me.  I know the procedures, I am just not good enough to do them correctly.  I have landed in pastures, on the taxiway, on other jets, and all over the runway (except for on center and in the landing zone); however, I am getting pretty decent in a Cessna.

I know I am new here, and I certainly am not trying to sound mean, I am just trying to help other enthusiasts.

RxZ

[tcco94]

I know how to fly my airplane and I know half these buttons here. I just dont normally use the radios and such or the certain buttons for the ILS. If your saying start all over and take those lessons agian id rather just not even use the ILS when ive already got the visual flight path working.

Ok, so you can fly your aircraft and land on a good sunny day. But what about when you want to fly with real world weather and you end up having to make an approach in instrument conditions at night?

A solid understanding of navigation will let you align up with the runway X amount of miles out without being able to see the runway, and when you pop out from under the clouds and are able to see it through the fog, you're right where you want to be, and you can land on the numbers without breaking a sweat. The satisfaction that you can accomplish that is awsome.

You're looking for the quick, and easy shortcut. Sorry, but it just doesn't come that easy...

Okay first of all i dont look for an easy shortcut and i dont fly on perfect sunny days. I may not be able to fly in fogged out, stormy, or crosswind weather like you guys but i do know how to fly and keep control of my airplane. I dont crash every flight ive only crashed about once and second i do know how to land fairly good. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO LAND STRAIGHT on the runway but i dint know that you had to go through this huge ILS procedure. I have tried and flown a cessna to get the ILS down but its a little hard when i dont have complete instructions. I do fly boeing's alot and other big aircrafts becuase thats what is fun for me and sometimes i do fly cessna's and other propeller airplanes. I listened to each and every person who tried to help me i went to the fsx lessons and tried that, ive looked on youtube, ive googled it, ive read links that were given to me. Ive tried alot of stuff to get the ILS down and you know im getting closer but sometimes you people just yell at laugh or make comments about stuff. Its kinda hard to focus on a propeller airplane for a few weeks when i love flying the bigger aircrafts and the funniest thing is THAT I KNOW HOW TO FLY THEM AND LAND THEM but im only flying a cessna for about 2 weeks becuase im trying to become perfectly straight on the runway. Im not like any of you and im sure all of you know how to work the ILS and fly every airplane perfectly but im not like that. I cant fly in every weather condition but i can fly in most of them and i do know how to work the visual flight path and land at nights and such. Half you guys must think im just landing on the taxiway or bounce on the runway or going full speed on the landing which im not. I know how to land ON THE RUNWAY, without smacking down or bouncing. Yesterday i flew from los angeles to san jose in a boeing 737 FOR FUN becuase that interests me. I wasnt expecting to try the ILS but i learned alot in that flight. I flew a good flight and got the visual flight path up and i landing back wheels first then front wheels. I decided to take some pictures of the landing to show you guys. This is a good landing for me maybe not for you real pilot experts. Im here to fly for fun, not to become a real pilot.

http://i32.tinypic.com/34hcf82.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/fa1xyd.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/34qrzmc.jpg

[tcco94]

Okay well ive figured out the ILS procedure, thanks to a youtube video but my only problem is when im coming into the landing they will tell me a final heading of like 290 and the heading of the airport is like 310 and i have the APP switch on and the course right and everything but if i have to turn it manually to point towards the airport thats not gunna put me straight on and it wont help in foggy situations. ANY HELP ! :-/