A plea to Aces/Microsoft

[krigl]

[quote]I have tried to explain it

Brett has tried to explain it

Mobius has tried to explain it


What we need here is Bill Learning because he is in the MSFS programming business and if anyone here can put it to rest, he can.



Your logic is completely off base Krigl because you do not understand the ins and outs of what the title is required to do in code in order to provide you with a upgraded SIMULATION from FS9

Crysis and ANY other game can NOT BE compared to FSX. Those -games- use maps which are very limited in size whereby the CPU/GPU is NOT CALCULATING a SIMULATION in 150NM radius AND modeling the entire world. It is localized to the player. NO game example can be used to compare FSX... which is where too many people go way off base thinking its MS forcing you to upgrade because of their methods. I dont care WHO writes the title, if you want a SIM that does what FSX does, you are buying the hardware to do it.


It is NOT POSSIBLE to do what FSX does and not be required to upgrade to top shelf hardware, several times over a period of years.


on top of that, you are making statements like "Crysis should apparently run OK on my 3D setup...." and using that to make a point. Have you run the title? Have you run it on full settings? If not, using that as an example in this discussion is mute and has absolutely no truth factor in it. When you get the title and crank up the settings like you wish FSX to run, and, it works perfect at 30-40FPS, let me know.

The last I heard on the latest betas they were getting 25-30 with resticted settings on GTX cards

[Brett_Henderson]

[quote]AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (2.25GHz)
Motherboard ASUS A7N8X - NVIDIA nForce2 Chipset
Intel D875PBZ - Intel 875P Chipset

[Groundbound1]

I am using : MSI K7T/AthlonXP 1800+/ 756MB PC133/ ATI Radeon 9600XT (@ 4X apg speed mind you) and can get a steady 15-20 FPS in FS9 with ALL the sliders ALL THE WAY up. That's what I mean by full tilt.

[NickN]

[quote]I use : MSI K7T/AthlonXP 1800+/ 756MB PC133/ ATI Radeon 9600XT (@ 4X apg speed mind you) and can get a steady 15-20 FPS in FS9 with ALL the sliders ALL THE WAY up. That's what I mean by full tilt.

[Brett_Henderson]

When I ran FS9  ... with full AI and all sliders maxed  .. it brought my AthlonXP-2500 with the ATI 9800pro to it's knees...  plenty of fps below 15 at crowded, scenery rich airports..

The Athlon64-3700 / 7800GT handled it pretty well (still struggled at times), and didn't become affordable until FS9 had been out for nearly 2 years..

[krigl]

You are right Nick, Brett. Even when I say I'm running FS9 without problems, I still do have some because my cloud draw distance is not maxed, and at the worst airports there is some occasional stuttering. I've just learned to ignore it, especially as I usually fly with view distance at 30 or 40, unless using real world weather. How often can you see clouds 120 km away anyway  ;D  But this again is what I find unacceptable....blah...blah... blah....

[quote][quote]I use : MSI K7T/AthlonXP 1800+/ 756MB PC133/ ATI Radeon 9600XT (@ 4X apg speed mind you) and can get a steady 15-20 FPS in FS9 with ALL the sliders ALL THE WAY up. That's what I mean by full tilt.

[Fly2e]

Groundbound,
Have you read every post since this thread started?
Please don't jump on that bandwagon of

this topic should probably be put to rest before tempers flare

as there are no tempers flaring if you have read the entire thread.
It has been informative, mature, interesting and informative!

Those who say things like that are the ones who start the problems as that is how they see the conversation!

There have been two active mods in this discussion since the beginning.
Please let us make the decision about what to do with this thread thank you.

Now gentleman, you were saying.....


Dave

[NickN]

[quote][quote][quote]I use : MSI K7T/AthlonXP 1800+/ 756MB PC133/ ATI Radeon 9600XT (@ 4X apg speed mind you) and can get a steady 15-20 FPS in FS9 with ALL the sliders ALL THE WAY up. That's what I mean by full tilt.

[Groundbound1]

Groundbound,
Have you read every post since this thread started?
Please don't jump on that bandwagon of

this topic should probably be put to rest before tempers flare

as there are no tempers flaring if you have read the entire thread.
It has been informative, mature, interesting and informative!

Those who say things like that are the ones who start the problems as that is how they see the conversation!

There have been two active mods in this discussion since the beginning.
Please let us make the decision about what to do with this thread thank you.

Now gentleman, you were saying.....


Dave

Have been from the get-go, not trying to step on toes, best discusion in years....etc.

[krigl]

But if MS developed for the shorter term and focused more on adding content, changing stuff that can be fixed without changing the engine so drastically in one go, development wouldn't cost so much...having seen the latest news you posted I really suspect that with FSX we are all beta testers for their new ESP they're producing... and paying for the priviledge...

Argh! I feel like Leiutenant (can't spell that) Columbo. 'Just one more thing'

[Fly2e]

[quote]Have been from the get-go, not trying to step on toes, best discussion in years....etc.

[NickN]

you are assuming again with the

[Fly2e]

Phil is gone unfortunately.

[Mobius]

I'll just say this:

My old system (3.5 years old):

Athlon 64 3400+
nVidia 6800 GT 256MB
2GB DDR400 RAM
2x 250GB HDs in RAID 0
Audigy 4 Sound
Windows XP

With this, I would get ~12 FPS in FSX on average, ranging from 40-50 over the ocean to 2 in a city on medium to medium high settings.

My new system (2 weeks old):

Q6600 Quad Core
Factory Superclocked nVidia 8800GTX (768 MB)
4GB DDR800 RAM
2x 320GB HDs in RAID 0
X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Sound
Windows Vista 64-bit

With this, I get ~45 FPS on average, dropping to ~20 in big cities with all settings on very high except for light bloom, and autogen turned down to normal and very dense in DX9.  I'm waiting for new drivers from nVidia that are supposed to help with DX10, so hopefully I can switch over and get a little performance boost.  I'm also planning on overclocking my processor next weekend up to 3.6Ghz per core (FSB 1600) once I get my new CPU cooler, which would apparently really help with performance as well.

This is how my sim looks now:



I'm extremely happy with the quality I'm getting and the performance I'm getting and I wouldn't be happy if I bought a whole new computer, and all I got was "slightly" better than FS9.  I think every game should be developed to bring the best computers out there to their knees, but not developed only for those computers.  I think the ACES team did an excellent job with FSX, because I could do anything I wanted in FSX with my old computer and still get decent performance with the graphics turned down.  But, I would not be happy at all if ACES developed FSX with my old computer in mind and "dumbed it down" for older systems, so that when I got my new one, I wouldn't be able to experience all the new flight models and visuals and everything in FSX like I am now.

[NickN]

naaaaa

he's still here


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