FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby cavity » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:11 pm

I prefer those scrubbing bubbles, they are fun to watch and its almost like grafitti without the marks! ;D
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby NicksFXHouse » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:13 pm

Damn you good! ;D



naaaaa.. just passing on a bit of domestic experience learned while owning a boat

I worked graveyard last night and the next few days as well so I am off to get some rest.

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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby Katahu » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:24 pm

It wasn't ment to be a serious coment.  I'm sorry if you interpited it otherwise.


That's alright. No offense taken.
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby Daube » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:55 am

[quote]Nick and others, I think it is time to let this thread die.
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby Skligmund » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:44 am

Well, FSX has issues. So far, I know of like 4. All of them scenery related. London lakes, another in the same post, I saw a screenshot of a trench through the mountains (which I have seen in FS9 also) and my favorite: The Kenai River.

Yes, the Kenai River. Only the most famous, well known King (Chinook) Salmon fishing spot in the world (home of the largest King Salmon ever caught on the continent) has not been in FS since the beginning of time. It starts in the proper spot, but ends about 5 river miles (or about 1 mile as the crow flies) up from the mouth. So there is my main complaint about FSX, the Kenai River. I have NEVER flown in London, so I could care less about it (why would I want to go to Europe? I can't carry my firearm).

As such, I expect to now hear total madness about FS9 due to this HUGE landmark that does not exist in FS9. I also want to hear about the hundreds of posts about tweaking FS9 so it looks good. Downloading mesh terrain, changing the water textures, the airport textures, redesigning the terrain level to be correct where you want it to (see 80% of Alaska in FS9). No, FS9 is FAR from being perfect in that respect, so I see FSX issues as minor at best. Yeah, i turn down graphics so I can fly comfortably. Fine. I plan on upgrading my stuff by the end of spring or so anyways. This computer will turn into ANOTHER back-up computer (as it is hard to sell modified parts and severely overclocked equipment). Whatever.

But going back to pages 1-5 (I quit reading frankly, you guys were pissing me off), if you are going to argue, argue about the same subject. One was claiming arguing over hardware compatablility, software patches and terrain mesh, the other was arguing about hardware performance, visual details and realism of FLIGHT.

DX10 and Vista accompanied by proper hardware will only make things shinier, perhaps more fluid. Won't fix anything. I don't think this is disputed.

The terrain will be patched (see FS9 bridges patch and whatever else was in it, I never paid close attention, as it didn't change anything I noticed in Alaska). If it isn't then start writing hate mail to MS.

If it is that big of an issue, fly in IFR weather, then it won;t be. Actually, try that. Fly IFR and see how much you enjoy FLYING FSX.

MS needs to get there crap in gear. yes. But it isn't as bad as you all make it sound.

Oh, and Anchorage International Airport (I refuse to put Ted Stevens in front of that until he dies) has been runway 7/25 not 6/24 (same with Merrill Field) for about a year I think now. Why is it stil 6/24 in FSX?
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby cavity » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:44 am

Daube, the reason I suggested we let the thread go is that the conversation was going nowhere.  JoeD is fine to come in here and say whatever he wants, as are you and I.  The point is, other than saying we agree that FSX has some issues and hoping theyll get fixed, how was complaining about MS going to fix anything.  Many of us asked for examples of what was wrong and tried to offer solutions, but it didnt seem to help.  I want Ms to make a better sim, but realize its not perfect, and liek the past two versions, will take alot of work from freeware designers to help make adjustments.  Is it right?  Maybe, maybe not, depending on what your viewpoint is.  In the end, complaining ABOUT MS isnt going to make the sim better.  However, complaing TO MS may.  ;D Todd
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby Joe_D » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:06 pm

This is not aimed at anyone in particular.....

FS is simply a fun diversion from a coporation whos only purpose is to make money.
It aways amazes me that some react to any critisizim of it like FS is a gift from the gods that must be revered.

Perhaps some are being a tad overly melodratic about the flaws in FSX and the MS coporate geed involved.
On the other hand there are those who seem to want to defend the honor of FS to an extreme.

Bottom line, we all know FSX has issues that need to be addressd it FS is to be accepted by the masses to which MS is agressivly marketing it to. This should be a given.

If FSX fails to gain favor with the general public (as seems to be the trend already) I fear for the future of FSX.
What direction will the next installment of FS take to boost sales? Will there even be a next one, etc?

You have to get into the mindset of the MS boardroom as
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:44 pm

Or.. maybe try this reality, Joe...

If you can't stand seeing people enjoy a channel; tune it out yourself. Or at least resist the urge to take over the programming. Join the dialogue instead of stomping your feet and pointing fingers.

Go back to page one of this thread. It started out with an honest question and an opinion.. It
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby krigl » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:18 pm

Yet another interesting thread  :D

My favourite bit was when it was said FS9 was designed for 2005-6. If that's the case why does MS release FSX in 2006 so that people can start fighting with their ridiculously 'ahead of it's time' software once again, instead of leaving them to enjoy a sim which finally works as it should  ::) ;) :).  Oh yes - MS wouldn't have as much money. Like I said before in my 'cunning plan for MS' thread, why don't they just slooow down a tad and let us all catch up? They might actually be able to release a better product then too...

Drooling over the screenshots though, might get FSX for Xmas  ;)
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby NicksFXHouse » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:33 pm

[quote]Yet another interesting thread
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby NicksFXHouse » Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:33 pm

This is for Joe since hes still at it and so he feels better....


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Bill and Melinda have been doing some wonderful and astonishing things with the original corporate booty. A lot of 3rd world disease and poverty along with social issues are getting needed attention and continue to be addressed. Kids who were dying of simple diseases are now getting needed attention where before they were being passed over by every major government and corporation on this planet.

Unless you have your head in the sand or do not keep up on intellectual philanthropy affairs on this planet (and most don
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby Politically Incorrect » Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:38 pm

from a coporation whos only purpose is to make money.



Ah I see someone is studying up on why a business is a business.  ;D ;D
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby NicksFXHouse » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:06 pm

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Ah I see someone is studying up on why a business is a business.
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby Katahu » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:48 pm

Guys, guys! Hold your horses there. I understand that Joe may have said some things in the past few pages that have offended you, but that's no excuse to continue this petty debate especially when Joe is just beginning to understand that these petty debates are useless and fail to resolve anything except who's better at winning an arguement.

[To Brett]

I don't think Joe has offended anybody with his first post in this thread. After carefully reading the first post through, I have determined that he is just simply stating the obvious. He is right when he says that there are flaws in FSX. In fact, I have just noticed a flaw myself when I tried FSX. Sometimes, the scenery would freeze up or stay put in the monitor like an image burnt into one's mind, while the buildings pass by and the aircraft moves along. It kind of resembles suspended animation. That's one flaw I found. Chances are it's hardware related as my dad's laptop [which has a better processor than mine's] doesn't seem to suffer such problems.

Joe was also right when he said that FS is expected to work like any other normal game or sim right out of the box.

[To Nick N]

Nick, I think it's time for you to settle down as well and take a deep breath. Having 8 pages worth of arguements can make anyone exhausted. Maybe Fozzer's finest meals can help lower your blood preasure. ;D

[To Joe]

I'm starting to see that you have calmed down already judging from your last two posts. I hope everyone else, whether they're fans of FS or not, does the same. And let's keep it that way. This thread was not intended for arguements judging by Francsal's initial post.

[To Franscal]

Sorry if your thread has derailed a couple of times, these kind of threads have a habit of starting heated and pointless debates [exactly like politics]. So let me restart this thread by stating the following:

Sometimes it can be quite difficult for one to see differences in the screenshots unless they know what to look for. I for one look at the water. FS9 and FSX have completely different water effects. Another thing I look for is self shadowing. FSX is the first version to finally exploit self shadowing. Another feature that indicates that a shot is FSX based is when space is used as a background of the shot. But even this feature can be confused for Orbiter. Try flying over the planet earth in orbiter at a certain altittude, then do the same in FSX at the same altittude. You'll notice very little differences except for the terrain textures and the water.

But there are certain things that can't be shown in a still image like a screenshot. The animations that are now affected by the inverse kenetics of skin and bones are not visible in much the same way as motion is. Then there's the flight dynamics. There is absolutely no way anyone can depicts the dynamics through a screenshots. Videos help, but the only sure way for anyone to know is when they try it themselves. For me, I have noticed that the stall characteristics in FSX have improved as I pushed my Mooney Bravo to the limit. Another thing is the water dynamics [not the effects]. The water no longer anchors a floating plane, therefore the plane can float slowly even with 1/3-1/2 power. Has anyone noticed that you no longer bounce off the runways during takeoff in much the same way as FS9 did?

There, I hope this post helps. ;D
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Re: FSX vrs FS9... is it really THAT different?

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:44 pm

[To Katahu]


Call me hyper-sensitive, but as someone who knows computers, programming and the FS series pretty well... I take each of these as offensive, sarcastic and rude.


FSX is a flawed program as it stands now.
To think otherwise is to hide ones head in the sand.


[quote]I will have to vacation/holiday in your universe some time.
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