Anyone think FSX is TOO demanding..?

[Politically Incorrect]

You are JOKING!!!!! no one in their right mind would spend $2,000 and certainly not in order to play just one programme!!!

I would disagree with that statement, my current "cockpit"  ranks in at approx $5,000.00. Built specifically for flight simming and no one ever thought I was in my right mind anyway

For what I think is the first time I agree 100% with Cameron.

Fact is MS told everyone (as did CT and Nick in thier posts here) before the release what FSX will require and how it was designed for future hardware and software, there was nothing hidden in that. As for how they can develop software for hardware that isn't released yet is easy, you don't think that MS and other programmers already have access to the new current hardware that uses  DX10 and Vista? of course they do just becasue the general public doesn't have access to it doesn't mean it is non-existent.

And as mentioned above this was to be released with Vista and DX10 so I don't feel it was a premature release.
And you know all the crap talk that would be out if MS decided against releasing FSX until the others would be available.

Bottom line is exactly what Nick stated

What is really hillarious is people still think they are suppose to see 35-45 frames in flight sim

Flight sim is not like any other game.. it relies on the leftover resources after the frame generation. Locking the frame counter at 24-28 no matter what kind of hardware is being run and balancing the sliders for the rest of the load is the key to both FS9 and FSX.

In FSX medium grade cards such as x850xt should be locked at 22-24 depending on the supporting processor and motherboard speed

2gigs of memory is a must

Too many forget or more likely do not understand the difference between a game and a simulator. And far to many base their experience on the FPS counter.

[pepper_airborne]

Anybody remember when Doom III(3) came out? Most people also had a hard time to play it, mainly because some sort of genious decided to run it all on live dynamic lights.

this FSX thingie kinda reminds me back to those days.

[bbstackerf]

50 FPS to run it enjoyably?! I somehow don't think so!

At a push, my sim can get into the mid 20's on nearly maxed out settings, and it's usually in the high teens. This being on a pretty low end rig. I certainly don't need an extra 25-30 FPS just to start enjoying Flight Sim, securing the knowledge that my computer has more than enough power to run the sim.

As Nick said, it's laughable that anyone 'needs' more than around 25FPS. Perhaps 30, max.

Tweek, I wasn't talking about what I could do as far as FPS. I'm lucky to get things fairly smooth locked at 20. I was only saying that if you have issues with FPS you can't blame the game, blame what you have for a pc.

If I could get 50 FPS I'd be a happy camper indeed!  ;D

Keni

[Tweek]

Tweek, I wasn't talking about what I could do as far as FPS. I'm lucky to get things fairly smooth locked at 20. I was only saying that if you have issues with FPS you can't blame the game, blame what you have for a pc.

If I could get 50 FPS I'd be a happy camper indeed!  ;D

Of course!

[Boca]

Well, there's merit in what everyone has said, either for or against. I'm just relieved that I'm not the only one feeling this  "left behind syndrome". For a moment there I was thinking everyone on this forum had ..

Quadruple Conroe 8900. deluxe.
Nvidia 9000 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXTT Sli  ;)
30 trillion gb hard drives running at 20,000 rpm....

...etc....you get the drift.  ;D

Anyway, glad to get you all talking, maybe next time  MS will take notice of the hardware market.  

[Camel_Moe]

How's this for a perspective on things?

Due to circumstances beyond my control, I was not even aware that there was a new flightsim coming out until  september.
The first thing that was clear to me was that I wasn't going to get much out of FSX until I got myself Vista and DX10. I got this impression from microsoft's own web pages.
This wasn't any great surprise as to how this could be true, seeing as developers in most any industry have prototypes and modified models of current technology long (quite often 4 or 5 years in fact for things like cars and computers) before they accually admit to them, and designing sofware around such items is only a given.
 This chant that DX10, and vista didn't exsist  to the point  for which software could be developed for them simply just isn't true.  If it was, you wouldn't see FSX for another couple years from today.
 The other thing that struck me, was that most of what was new to this sim (which I do own, and run) are items that seemed to be  common themes, or rather complaint, on these very boards a few years back.  
Thing's such as improvements to the appearance of trees, water effects, airport operations or lack there of, inclusion of traffic on roads, etc, etc, are the very things I remember people clambering to improve in older sims, and are in fact what is indeed slowing my system down. Fair trade in my book. Now I don't have to download and install all this stuff, and all these 3rd party guys can work on new and different add-ons for us.
So, what I'm getting from the boards now, is that, microsoft, having finally delivered on the desires of the majority, is a money grubbing institution that doesn't listen to us...... interesting. Seems like we got much of what we were asking for accually.
Many people seem to have suddenly lost thier memories of days gone by when we had to download all this stuff from the internet and add it in ourselves, Ussually slowing down our sims in the process, and have instead deticated that brain power to the  search for all new Microsoft inflicted injustices.  Real or imagined.
 Go figure.

 Ahhhh. Nice to see some things never change.

[Brett_Henderson]

You are JOKING!!!!! no one in their right mind would spend $2,000 and certainly not in order to play just one programme!!!

Now you're yelling at me and mis-quoting me all at the same time...

I said:

[quote]Forget FSX..

[Brett_Henderson]

And I like the skiing comparison.. or RC plane comparison (or any hobby)...

[NicksFXHouse]

Look guys... right now I am swamped with work. I work 6 months on and 6 months off. That

[jay2ie]

Hi Guys,
Jst got around to joining the forums,
Bout the Whole FSX debate, i to had my own Misgivings bout the whole Deal, being a Sim Vet at this stage for the guts of 15years i had eagerly awaited the arrival of FSX, Why just 9 months Previous to its Realese i went out and Spent some Hard end cash on a new Machine
Windows XP/sp2
AMD Athlon 64 3500+/2.2ghz
GeForce TurboCache 256mb
Hard Drive 150 GB/x2
3.00 GB RAM
The Quickest Puppy i ever had!!
Was Quiet the Happy Camper Tippin away on My New Machine With 2004 installed & running really Quick 45fps that kinda Range
Then the Big day arrived,  i held back on the(booking FSX online Deal) and just wait'd on the retail stores to  Get it, which was'nt long Really, Well out i went & got myself the DeLuxe Version!! Well F**k me did i have a Shock when i went to install FSX(some of ye might know whats about to Happen Here) The DVD would'nt Read!! Iwas just at my wits end when it Dawn'd on me that the Muppetts i had bought my Spanking Brand new PC off had forgot to inform me that My DVD Drive was not Dual Compatible, Anyhoo Had to Go get a new DVD Drive More Hard Earned Cash, so Back home i toodle(My Poor Girlfriend havin to put up with Me Biting and Kicking all around) Install FSX, WOHOO IT INSTALLS!!!
Then something else Happens that Makes me want to Go Microsoft Themselfs and Rip apart what ever Brain Matter put this Heap Together, GETTING ONLY 5fps WITH MEDIUM TO LOW SETTING, after a while i calmed Down and turned to ye Guys, The Great Simming community!! and to my Graet Relief i'm not the only one with this issue, GET TO THE POINT you Say, Long story Short, Got More RAM, had 1gb now Have 3gb, edited some of the FSX cfg. Autogen etc. etc. Got Rid of Nortons Virus Software Deep registry Files Eat Your CPU on all Fronts, installed NOD32 ANTIVIRUS Genius Program Highly Recommend it, and now i'm Getting 14-26fps with medium setting and high Traffic in the Air and on the Ground!! Very Happy Now, just waiting on Vista and DX10 Then all should Quiet in my Home, So my Girlfriend Hopes!!!
Hope this was'nt too long winded, and somebody got some nugget of info out of it!!
Jay.

[NicksFXHouse]

[quote]
maybe next time

[DizZa]

I find it amazing when my $1350 USD computer (including screen, windows, mouse / keyboard)  runs fsX amazingly. You don't need a $5000 rig to enjoy it.

PS As for DX10 NO ONE knows how it will work. All we have is an artists impression of how M(qualcosa)s hope it will look like. Both Vista and DX10 are in their infancy. I think FSX should have been left until next year before release.

I have a DX10 video of Crysis running on SLI'd Geforce 8800GTX's, looks sooooo goood!

The proof is simple: On a today medium-high computer, that is a PIV 3,2GHz, 1Gb RAM, and a 6800 GT with 256 Mb, FS9 still runs at LOW FPS (less than 18 FPS) over cities on default sceneries.

I have AMD 3500+, 2gb RAM, X850XT and I got 45-70fps in that scenario? Oh, that's with drivers maxed out too.

[Daube]

I have AMD 3500+, 2gb RAM, X850XT and I got 45-70fps in that scenario? Oh, that's with drivers maxed out too.

My drivers settings are set on 'Quality', to prevent any functionnality to get disabled automatically. (This happens if you go to 'Performance' for example).

Maxed out means full autogen with original textures, ground scenery shadows, a lot of clouds in the sky (several layers of dense clouds), 100% AI traffic, etc... in the middle of Seatlle.

I can get acceptable FPS with my config and those settings in fact... oh but wait, my drawing distance for scenery and clouds are still to minimum...  ::)

[RollerBall]

I totally understand the gripes about the software bugs ...

Careful Nick....  :)

[Fozzer]

I can get nice frame rates (15-20) together with nice Autogen scenery....
...except that it all goes tits-up every time I bank, or look out of the side windows, then everything judders along at 3-5 FPS until I straighten up and look forward again... ...!

Paul... ...!

....Must put curtains on the side windows, and put a steering lock on the Yoke to only fly straight ahead... ...!
LOL... ...!