There is no denying...

[Bindoe]

[quote]
RUBBISH!!

[Fly2e]

fs9 doesn't support shaders
fs9 dosn't support missions
fs9 has bad camera system (excluding Active Camera)
fs9 has bad studders
fs9 dosn't support bump mapping
fs9 dosn't support shadows from VC.
fs9 has terrible low visibility weather, with high frame hit from clouds. fsX has no hit. (512x512 DXT3 textures on X850)
fs9 dosn't have ships driving around
fs9 has bad sky blending
fs9 has terrible sound
fs9 terrain engine is weak
fs9 UI is bad
fs9 multiplayer is one work, terrible
fs9 now supports DDS
fs9 reflections aren't very good
fs9 dosn't support shared cockpits
fs9 has bad trees

fsX corrects all of them

Eh. Only disadvantages are:
Low frame rate
messed up terrain in some areas
bad terrain textures sometimes

First off I find it funny that so many newbies feel they need to "support" Microsoft's new flight Sim.  It is like they need to be accepted by the company or something. God forbid if they have something negative to say about it. I commend Rollerball for voicing his honest opinion! I also find it funny that somebody can rattle off a dozen or so "things" that the new version has that in reality, most can't even enjoy!!
And the joke here is, My machine seems to be doing very, very well with FSX. I don't have any problems at the moment with it. That would have to do with many things, one having the www.fs-gs.com service on my machine! There are the talked about issues but like I said, I will not really fly it until DX10 & Vista comes out. Then and only then is when I will move over to FSX.

1. I don't need shaders. It may add to the realism and will like it when taking my professional screenshots for the payware companies, but it is not a "selling point"
2.  Missions, who needs missions? Yes they are cool, but if you are creative, invent your own mission. After a while the missions will be just like the old "flight plans".
3. Not too worried about the FS9 camera system as I have had both Active Camera & Walk & Follow installed for years now.
4. I do not ever, ever have one single stutter. My system is locked at 34fps[s, way above the 21 where your eyes will actually notice a stutter. And I repeat, I never have stutters.
5. Bump mapping..... read my answer to #1.
6. Weather? HAHAHAHAHA, my system is running the best real time weather out there! Flight environment coupled with Active sky give me the most realistic, real world weather and clouds around. It is one of the best things about my machine. Incredible clouds, multiple layers, real fog lines, real visibility. I can't say enough about it!
7. Ships driving around Ehhrrrmm, I have had ships driving around my seas for over 4 years. It isn't that difficult to create to download from the web. .
8. Terrain engine too weak! Not for me! Go get yourself a lifetime membership at www.fsgenesis.com and then tell me what you think. My mountains are high, my values are low and my aircraft is right there with them. 38m for USA, Canada & Puerto Rico, 19 for parts of Canada. The terrain is your "base" when building your Sim. It is also one of the most important parts of my Sim.
9. My AI is not bads when I have "Ultimate Traffic" clogging up my skies!!
10. I only do multi-player with close friends!
11. Now supports DDS, OK.
12. Reflections are the best around. Come fly in my world!
13. Shared cockpits, Hey I am the driver so go get your own!
14. Trees? Believe me, my trees are so abundant and real, I needed to get myself a chainsaw and a dozen virtual beavers!

Eh. Only disadvantages are:
Low frame rate
messed up terrain in some areas
bad terrain textures sometimes

HAHAHAHA! You mean basically the important things when flying? First off, If you have bad frame rates you might as well not even be using it. How real can it be or how do you perfect trying to land with crosswinds when you are about to touch down and your system is stuttering? I just don't get it? You need to have a fluid machine to fly, learn and enjoy the hobby we all like!
Messed up terrain. That will not fly with me!! My terrain NEEDS TOP BE Perfect!! No "double coastlines, offset objects, unrealistic terrain is a big NO!
Bad terrain textures are a thing of the past with Ground Environment Pro and Ultimate Terrain.

Off course you will need to add everything below to achieve what I have just described.


Oh yeah, and it is about $5,000 more than FSX  :P

[Fly2e]

Microsoft Flight Simulator Installation
World Mesh, Terrain & Environment
SIMULATOR BUILD.

1.      Microsoft Flight Simulator  

[vololiberista]

you don't get to use the sim much then!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D
I agree with every point, well put.
Vololiberista

[Daube]

So, FS9 with a lot of Paywares is better than FSX stock...Incredible.  :P

[ozzy72]

This happens everytime a new FS comes out. When FS2k2 first came out and I got the Ti4600 card everyone was amazed by the quality you could get. I'm still using the same rig with FS9 and I've stopped posting screenshots 'cos mine are so pants compared with what everyone else is doing.
When I get my new rig next year I'm sure everyone will briefly be amazed out how good my screenies are and within 6 months everyone will be posting shots far better than mine....
This pattern of history repeating itself sometimes makes me dizzy! The software is nearly always ahead of the hardware. Just relax, enjoy your flying and have another beer

[Hagar]

Off course you will need to add everything below to achieve what I have just described.


Oh yeah, and it is about $5,000 more than FSX  :P

Indeed. Not sure what point you're making there Dave but that's a lot of money by any standards. No wonder you're sticking with FS9. It's none of my business but it strikes me you could have a real PPL by now with what that cost you.

PS. I agreed with you up to this point. [quote]First off I find it funny that so many newbies feel they need to "support" Microsoft's new flight Sim.

[Fly2e]

Indeed.  Not sure what point you're making there Dave but that's a lot of money by any standards. No wonder you're sticking with FS9. It's none of my business but it strikes me you could have a real PPL by now with what that cost you.

LOL Doug, I know  ;D

PS. I agreed with you up to this point. Quote:First off I find it funny that so many newbies feel they need to "support" Microsoft's new flight Sim.  It is like they need to be accepted by the company or something. God forbid if they have something negative to say about it. I commend Rollerball for voicing his honest opinion! I also find it funny that somebody can rattle off a dozen or so "things" that the new version has that in reality, most can't even enjoy!!

What part?

[Katahu]

fs9 dosn't support shaders
fs9 dosn't support missions
fs9 has bad camera system (excluding Active Camera)
fs9 has bad studders
fs9 dosn't support bump mapping
fs9 dosn't support shadows from VC.
fs9 has terrible low visability weather, with high frame hit from clouds. fsX has no hit. (512x512 DXT3 textures on X850)
fs9 dosn't have ships driving around
fs9 has bad sky blending
fs9 has terrible sound
fs9 terrain engine is weak
fs9 UI is bad
fs9 multiplayer is one work, terrible
fs9 now supports DDS
fs9 reflections aren't very good
fs9 dosn't support shared cockpits
fs9 has bad trees

fsX corrects all of them

Eh. Only disadvantages are:
Low frame rate
messed up terrain in some areas
bad terrain textures sometimes

The wings don't bounce correctly and the wing flex animations aren't smooth. (Not saying bad things about POSKY, only the fs9 engine).

I'm sorry, but one-third of what you listed there can be corrected with addons. Remember, the list I made consists of features that addons can't do in FS9.

As for the wing flex in POSKY and all other FS9 addons that use it, there is an issue with that. The FS9-based animations for the wing flex behaive in almost the same way as the landing gear. Notice how the wings in FS9 twitch up and down rapidly seconds before takeoff. In FSX, the wing flex doesn't have such an issue due to the inverse kenetics applied to them as opposed to standard animations done for FS9-based aircraft.

PS: You people need to slow down with the posts. I can't catch up.

[Daube]

PS: You people need to slow down with the posts. I can't catch up.

That's the new FSX-style Natural Selection, you know.
First, FSX kills your PC, and then FSX forums kill you !

[Katahu]

That's the new FSX-style Natural Selection, you know.
First, FSX kills your PC, and then FSX forums kill you !

I think it's time for another round of injections.

Ok everyone, line up against the wall and roll up your sleeves.

[RollerBall]

I think that with all the arguments and counter-arguments , agreements and disagreements these topics have been the most memorable that I can recall in the whole of my time here at SimV. Bearing in mind the language and cultural differences that exist and the potential there is for anger and misunderstandings between members, this is the forum at its best.

Long may it be so.

I don't know whether the level and quality of discussion is happening elsewhere - but I doubt it.

Now, where were we......

[Daube]

I think that with all the arguments and counter-arguments , agreements and disagreements these topics have been the most memorable that I can recall in the whole of my time here at SimV. Bearing in mind the language and cultural differences that exist and the potential there is for anger and misunderstandings between members, this is the forum at its best.

Long may it be so.

I don't know whether the level and quality of discussion is happening elsewhere - but I doubt it.

Now, where were we......

Agree 100%
And I've seen some... "discussions"

[n_richardson05]

aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

If you dont like it dont buy it. if you like it buy it if you hate microsoft why are you here. and if you like microsoft get a girlfriend ::)

and the point of this topic was to say nice things cant we respect the request  >:(

i like the backwords compatability and the shiny new aircraft even if they are to complicated for my computer  

[freedomhays]

And you an administrator,
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