Will you be buying?

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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Daube » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:31 pm

Daube,

Ask yourself this: did I at any time say there was an error with aircraft speed at low level.

Do you really believe that if you were in an aircraft doing ~450+ Kts at 200' and you looked out to port at say a church or other building that it would gently pass you by as you merely poodled along at a mere 500MPH?

If you do then I can only think you must be one of those rare individuals who thinks Aircrew headgear is designed to withstand crash impact.


Close objects whizz past at those speeds and altitudes---fact. You also have to remember 500MPH is in the realms of average bullet speed.


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I think it's just a matter of impressions. I understand that you think the airplanes look too slow in the sim, that their movements do not reflect their actual speed.

It's because of the field of view. Because of the way the stuff is drawn, we can hardly appreciate the speeds.

Here is a real-life example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krs2YRGEadk&search=f14
Look at this plane... I mean, looking at this video, I would never believe this Tomvat is going Mach 1.... but it is. The video camera field of view is just reducing the speed sensation. In the sim, when I watch a replay of my plane going Mach1 in the same conditions, the speed is just the same.

To get a correct speed impression, we would need to play at zoom 1x on a very big wide screen with the biggest possible screen resolution. In this way we would get correct proportions, and thus correct speed impression. That's the point, with our little screens and very smll resolutions that we can afford for now, we just do what we can.

But hopefully, the new 3D Holographic included in FSX will do the trick  ;D
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby x_jasper » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:43 am

"Will you be buying"

We run flight sims over a private network, ok there are only three of us.

We usually operate CFS3 & FS9.

After a many, many months of work most of the annoying defects of these sims have been rectified. We have superior dynamics in almost every respect with a number of aircraft, in principle these are the Me262 & Vampire.

There are also sound files for these two aircraft which in my opinion are probably 'as real as you can get', they are specifically taylored for the actual type of engine.

Armament in CFS3 was, to say the least abysmal. This has been corrected and with genuine sound files for the specific cannon used on these two aircraft.

We have similar work carried out with FS9, and produced excellent dynamics for the DC3, Cub, Trimotor, Comet, and also Bill Lyon's Moth.

DC3 and Tiger Moth dynamics were very popular in certain circles a couple of years ago.

So after all this effort, I really don't fancy embarking on any work with another sim.

Besides we are building  back to back rear projection cockpits suitable for 262 & Vampire, and Mig15 & F86.

As for FSX: I'll have to give this one a miss, perhaps the good fozzer would do us the honour with the new sim :)

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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Fozzer » Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:34 am

"Will you be buying"

....As for FSX: I'll have to give this one a miss, perhaps the good Fozzer would do us the honour with the new sim :)

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Obviously, I will buy FSX to keep Uncle Bill and his crew happy...
...and to compare it to my existing FS9, with years of Freeware/Payware add-ons installed...;D...!
For the outlay of a few English Pounds, I think it's well worth the expense for a comparison between FS9 and FSX...
...and I have loads of spare space on my hard drives for both programs...  ;D..!
...so many choices... ;)... ;D...!
LOL...!

Paul...loadsa money....gimme FSX... ;D...!

...and as I keep saying...
...after all, it's only a "game".... ;)...!
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby ppgstf » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:27 am

Will I be buying?  Don't think so, purely for financial reasons.

It has been eluded to in a previous message but you will need a 'better' (for want of a better word) PC than you might already have.  Vista and graphics cards are also other issues, don't even want to go there.  I have only been simming now for just under 2 years and have got my current PC to the point where I am more than happy with FS9.

As Clint Eastwood said "A man's gotta know his limitations" and that applies to my PC.  Whilst it performs admirably on FS9, it would take quite a bit of cash to get FSX to run to the standards I would expect.

In short, everyone's different.  There will be those who rush down to the shops and get their copies on the day of release and there will be people like me who can't justify the expense of having to upgrade their PC's.  All things considered, MS have come up with a very fair price for FSX.....it's everything else that's gonna get you!!
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Ashton Lawson » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:31 am

Its all marketing, and I hear ya.

Probably the only reason why they say it will be 'optimised' for Vista, is so that you will buy Vista.  And partialy cuz it is actually optimized for Vista. ;D  (that last bit is said really quickly ;) )
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby vololiberista » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:20 am

Optmising for Vista means that it will only look really good on Vista. On XP it will look just like FS9. And not only that, they are to produce 2 versions. One of which will clearly (as they have said it is built on top of the FS9 engine) be nothing more than FS9 with the best free addons incorporated. Meaning of course that WE will now have to pay for the free addons in order to run FSX. But that's the way MS$ has always done it's business.
I have to say that I'm certain that the majority of developers  who have worked hard to create great addons for FS9 are not really that keen on starting all over again.
We have seen a number of videos and screen shots all of which are not great quality and no better than the best that FS9 can deliver.  If I were MS$ I would try to sell FSX showing the very very best it can do and so far all I see is a marginal improvement for a not marginal cost!!!
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Daube » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:02 am

Optmising for Vista means that it will only look really good on Vista. On XP it will look just like FS9.

Do you think the available shots look like FS9 ? I don't.  Change your optical glasses  8) OR maybe you could show us FS9 shots that are as detailled as those of FSX  ???

And not only that, they are to produce 2 versions. One of which will clearly (as they have said it is built on top of the FS9 engine) be nothing more than FS9 with the best free addons incorporated. Meaning of course that WE will now have to pay for the free addons in order to run FSX. But that's the way MS$ has always done it's business.

The two versions will look the same but the deluxe will have more planes, tower control and SDKs. Of course FSX engine is built on top of FS9 engine. We call that "improvement". Now, can you tell wha kinf of feeware has been incorporated into FSX ? Give us a list, because I could not recognize anything for now  ???

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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Ashton Lawson » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:19 am

Its always good to hav sum1 to put the resident conspiracy theorist (Vololiberista) down every now and then.  Thank you Daube. ;)
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Katahu » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:36 am

Its always good to hav sum1 to put the resident conspiracy theorist (Vololiberista) down every now and then.  Thank you Daube. ;)


Reminds me of that movie "Conspiracy Theory" with Mel Gibson. Good actor, good movie. ;D
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Ashton Lawson » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:48 am

Yah, that was a good movie. ;)

Whats that got to do with Vololiberista and Daube? ???
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Katahu » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:58 am

Yah, that was a good movie. ;)

Whats that got to do with Vololiberista and Daube? ???


Nothing. It just crossed my mind when you mentioned the word conspiracy. ;D
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby vololiberista » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:32 pm

The only conspiracy is that MS$ is out to empty our pockets. (That's their game!!!) I have to say I have seen many a/c and loads of scenery in screenshots on SimV that are way better quality than anything I've seen of MSX so far. It's a lot of money to fork out not just for the game but also for a new pc etc etc just for 10-20% improvement
I won't be buying until I have seen what FSX really CAN deliver. To spend
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Katahu » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:03 pm

[quote]The only conspiracy is that MS$ is out to empty our pockets. (That's their game!!!) I have to say I have seen many a/c and loads of scenery in screenshots on SimV that are way better quality than anything I've seen of MSX so far. It's a lot of money to fork out not just for the game but also for a new pc etc etc just for 10-20% improvement
I won't be buying until I have seen what FSX really CAN deliver. To spend
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby Ashton Lawson » Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:18 pm

Yah mun, chill. 8)
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Re: Will you be buying?

Postby waspiflab » Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:35 pm

I'll be getting it and selling fs2004 no point in kepping it.
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