Military Traffic

[Tweek]

I think you fail to see my point which is..........I don't want my FSX to have anything to do with Military Flying.......Commercial only for me as it has always been......which is only my own point of view.

That's fair enough, so something like military traffic should be toggleable. If you want it, turn it on. If you don't, turn it off. And the same with civil traffic.

Remember, not all military are equipped with weaponry. With a lot of people, as soon as you mention the word, guns and explosions come to mind. I myself have never seen a VC-10K tanker, or a Canberra PR9 fire a weapon! And, if you want, you can fly your own A-10 around, without shooting up a few tanks!

[commoner]

...Well let me just say, in answer to the original question by aviation_nation, which was you might remember....

" hey everyone.
how many of you out there would like to see regular* military traffic".......

.....is NO I wouldn't....what more can I say?...........

Your opinions are as valid as mine...but it is Sir Bill and his team you have to convince, and if I was a betting man I would wager you will be dissappointed if you want FSX to be anything more than it is now.......commoner.


 ;)

[expat]

...Maybe it is because I was raised during a particularly nasty period of wartime and saw first hand the misery and sorrow that bombing the shit out of the towns and cities of "enemy" countries, brings..........WW2 has left many scars on my mind.......particularly the fact that we didn't learn from all that crap and are still doing it.........so sad.

...A war weary commoner......... :-/

Hi Commoner

Your opinion is as valid as the next persons. I too have no wish to see or hear things that go bang in FS, as I said only procedures. I saw enough of that in Germany in the late 80's and early 90's. Never got in my car without looking under it first. Also John Major and Teflon Tony sent me on a couple of all expenses paid trips to places that where never on my holiday wish list! Seen some things

[RollerBall]

Siggghhhhhh

You can add as much military traffic as you want. Trouble is the people who shout loudest for it are either too thick or too bone idle to get off their backsides and do it for themselves.

There were several things I wanted in FS. I wanted Kai Tak open - so I created the scenery. I wanted to have AI helos so I made my own - sorry, almost uploaded but never got round to it as too busy doing other projects. I wanted to have AI aircraft and helos flying on and off carriers, so I created a system and sceneries (sorry again, never bothered uploading but Ozzie has flown it).

The great majority of the more sensible things that people want in FSX you can already get - but you need a little effort to download and install something that someone else has created for you to do it. Even that's a bit too much trouble for some people apparently.

How many of the folks saying 'I want, I want' have actually themselves made and contributed any add-on to the sim community? Not too many I'm sure.

[expat]

Siggghhhhhh You can add as much military traffic as you want. Trouble is the people who shout loudest for it are either too thick or too bone idle to get off their backsides and do it for themselves.

I work 7-day shifts, mainly night shift. In a month I get, if I am lucky, 2 weekends free. I have wife and two small children that also want my time and I have no clue how a computer works. I unreservedly apologise for not meeting you exacting standards for FS:(  I am of to wipe my hard drive...........Still it is not all bad news. I get to play with real aircraft daily and not a bunch of pixels.

Matt

[RollerBall]

So...

I run two businesses, have raised a family and still have one at home, work a seven day week, have owned two aircraft and could fly every day at that time in my life. But what has that got to do with it?

I happen to enjoy this hobby greatly, admire the folks who have devoted enormous skill and effort in creating the software, much appreciate the contributions of others who generously provide the stunning free addons that so enhance my enjoyment and have tried to make a small effort to give a little bit back when I have ben able to the freeware community.

We all have our priorities in life that change as we pass from phase to phase. There are many things I would like to do that I don't have time for and there are things I will never do because I recognise that I'm not clever enough.

But what pi**es me off is the guys who sit on the sidelines, never making an effort to make a contribution of their own and yet constantly make demands and criticise what others have done.

I am sorry if expressing these views upsets you in any way - I'm very surprised ex-pat if that is actually the case.

Go in peace.

[Katahu]

Well, I'm thankful for what I got from FS. I don't mind having AI Military Traffic [as long as none of those AI are blowing things up]. I also believe that FS should have some procedures related to the military.

When I was in Civil Air Patrol, I was on an orientation flight over Miami. Me and an instructor flew south and later flew right over Homestead Air Reserve Base [ARB]. All we needed was simple clearence and we got it. After that, we turned around and headed back home to Kendall-Tamiami Executive Airport.

Civil Air Patrol may be the Auxilary of the USAF, but we are still civilians flying in civilian aircraft.

[expat]

But what pi**es me off is the guys who sit on the sidelines, never making an effort to make a contribution of their own and yet constantly make demands and criticise what others have done..

That is understandable, statement.
I have never produced and am unlikely to do so. I have no understanding of computers. Anyone who does produce is a God of the white magic box that lives under my desk. I kneel before them.  I take my hat off to them.  They truly have my admiration. I fully admit to being a user with no Idea about production, but not only that, I have no interest in learning about computers or writing software for them. That does not make me lazy or too thick, but you are tarring a lot of people with the same brush in this thread. As for upsetting me, not at all. Sometimes these conversations are a little more "entertaining" than the usual:
Who has got the Nocd patch; what

[AVIATION_NATION]

Well, I'm thankful for what I got from FS. I don't mind having AI Military Traffic [as long as none of those AI are blowing things up]. I also believe that FS should have some procedures related to the military.

When I was in Civil Air Patrol, I was on an orientation flight over Miami. Me and an instructor flew south and later flew right over Homestead Air Reserve Base [ARB]. All we needed was simple clearence and we got it. After that, we turned around and headed back home to Kendall-Tamiami Executive Airport.

Civil Air Patrol may be the Auxilary of the USAF, but we are still civilians flying in civilian aircraft.

Aviation Nation here
well im glad to see im not the only CAP member here.
are you Senior Member or Cadet? I am a C/MSgt of the Nevada wing.
Have you gotten the civil air patrol add-on program yet?
it allows you to fly SAR missions.

[gregoryp]

I still haven

[C]

Combat is for combat sims, ie, Combat Flight Simulator, Lomac etc. FS has been a civilian flight sim from the start, and this discussion is really based on whether military AI traffic (as seen in the real world) should be included as part of the sim...

[Katahu]

Combat is for combat sims, ie, Combat Flight Simulator, Lomac etc. FS has been a civilian flight sim from the start, and this discussion is really based on whether military AI traffic (as seen in the real world) should be included as part of the sim...

Thanks for pointing that out. AI is what we were talking about. Not combat capabilities. Of course, some of us strayed off topic [me included], but thanks for reminding us what this topic is mainly about.

Aviation Nation here
well im glad to see im not the only CAP member here.
are you Senior Member or Cadet? I am a C/MSgt of the Nevada wing.
Have you gotten the civil air patrol add-on program yet?
it allows you to fly SAR missions.

I use to be in CAP. I left the program as a C/2nd Lt. After that, I joined the Air Force and I'm now a A1c working in the Pharmacy.

Katahu
314 Medical Support Squadron
Pharmacy Tech [aka: Professional Drug Dealer ]
Little Rock AFB

[commoner]

...Ok Greg.......maybe I should change that ."The terrible thing that would happen is that the finest PC Flight simulator..indeed the ONLY flight simulator worthy of the name.....would be REDUCED to the Genre ..."Shoot 'em Up" .UGH! "............and make it......

...The terrible thing that would happen is that the finest PC Flight simulator..indeed the ONLY flight simulator worthy of the name.....would be TURNED  INTO the Genre ..."Shoot 'em Up" .UGH!

..........That would be a valid enough reason for me....commoner

[cleobis]

Flight simulator 4.1, Flight Simulator 5, Flight simulator 95, Flight simulaotr 98, Flight simulator 2000, Flight simulator 2002, Flight simulator 2004, Flight Simulator X...oh, and the one for the spectrum 48k was also flight simulator something!!

This are all the flight simulators that I've played siince I was a child, and I can't seem to find the word "civil" in any of them!!!!

Just two words, flight and simulator. This is exactly what it is! A simulator of flying in all it variations!so, I see to fail the point of people saying that this is only a civil flight simulator...

I'm against guns and I fail to understand how a so called developed nation can still defend the right for everyone to have a gun with litle less than a visual check by the person who sells them!!!

I hate the macho things of: uhh, see how far I can hit that bottle??

I don't like hunting, and I sure despise anyone trying to end a human life...BUT:

I do feel that the military procedures in flying are quite chalanging, and as a flight enthusiast, I also would like to try those chalenges, and why not, trying to use a gun to destroy a target!

Now, this has nothing to do with me wanting to kill anyone or destroy anyone in the real world, it merely has a technical attraction because it is hard and demanding to operate a modern jet fighter!

This is what I want from my flight simulator, not the ability to kill people, or even pretend it, but the ability to perform realworld chalenges, just for the complex nature of it!!

I loooove flying my new fsd cessna, and flying metal cigars, but I also love to fly military jets, as I love to fly ultralights, etc,etc!!

So, basically, I love flying anything, and therefore I'm opposed to any form of scensorship that can be put into a flight simulator!

cheers

[commoner]

...............So, basically, I love flying anything, and therefore I'm opposed to any form of scensorship that can be put into a flight simulator!

cheers

..LOL..Wow! the mind boggles at the thought.............any suggestions lads?..................How about a virtual "Mile High Club" for starters.......be nice to while away the hours on long haulers.Be a bit awkward with an F-16 but a B-52 would be great................commoner