Tupolev 154 Problems :(.

[Mooneypilot1993]

Well guys youre probally sick of my problems by now, but i have another one . I just have gotten the wonderful Tupolev 154 M from Project Tupolev. Heres the problem. At idle when i get into the simulator with the aircraft the jet engine guage(I dont know what this guage is for since its in russian, Seantk could tell me that lol, will start at lets say 20 then it will go up all the way to 60 then shut off. Ive been trying to figure out what the problem is but have had no luck.
:-/. Please help lol. I love flying russian jets, especially tupolevs.

[Sean_TK]

Hi Dragboat.

I'm sure the problem that you are having is solvable, but I am not quite sure what the whole scenario is.

I need to know a few things, such as:

Have you loaded any other aircraft with active components, such as the battery on, before this one?

Have you read through the included documentation (Located in the Info folder, in the PT_Tu-154M aircraft folder)?

I'm not 100% sure on what gauge you are mentioning. Is it the RPM gauge to the right of the standby attitude indicator on the main captain's panel?

Are you trying to load the aircraft with the engines running? If so, they will shutoff, and on this procedural simulation, pressing Ctrl-E will NOT work.

Are you starting the aircraft properly, through the use of the manual, and then the instrument is failing?





I'll be here to help for most of tomorrow too...hopefully!
I'm sure Ivan will jump in to help as well, since I believe he knows more about this plane than I do. He may even know what the problem is already!  ;)

The Tupolev Tu-154M can be quite a handful for beginners, and takes a while to learn, but remember that you have at least two active -154 flyers on this forum for assistance, do not be afraid to ask if/when you have a question about this plane!  :)

Remember, this is a procedural sim with zero operational shortcuts! (Other than the assistant navigator, and relatively speaking, you are by yourself in a plane designed to be operated by 3-4 people...semantics, semantics!  :D)

[garymbuska]

Well guys youre probally sick of my problems by now, but i have another one . I just have gotten the wonderful Tupolev 154 M from Project Tupolev. Heres the problem. At idle when i get into the simulator with the aircraft the jet engine guage(I dont know what this guage is for since its in Russian, Seantk could tell me that lol, will start at lets say 20 then it will go up all the way to 60 then shut off. Ive been trying to figure out what the problem is but have had no luck.
:-/. Please help lol. I love flying Russian jets, especially tupolevs.

It might help if we knew where you downloaded it from  ::) 8-)

[Sean_TK]

http://www.fs-proteam.com/products.html ... tt=catalog

This is a complex bit of kit garymbusku. Just warning you that the problem may not be easy to solve for non Project Tupolev flyers. I think Ivan and I will get this one under control.  ;)

Thanks!  :)

[Boikat]

Hi!  I had the same problem, and the only way I got around it was to *never* go to the 2D cockpit view.  As soon as you do, the engines die.  I haven't found out if there's a button or switch that is supposed to be press or flipped, either.  I haven't flown it in a while and am tempted just to swap in a panel from something else, if for not other reason that to see if that works, which would be a shame, since the 2d looks pretty good.

Mine is not the "project Tupolev" package, but the one for the Cuban airlines, IIRC.  Probably the same base model, and damned if it don't look like I deleted it Downloading now.

[Sean_TK]

Once the 2D cockpit initializes, and beyond assuming you are using the included joystick setup utility properly, the simulation will kill the engines if you tried to load the plane with the engines running. Ctrl-E will NOT work in this simulation!!  ;)

This is a procedural trainer for the Tupolev Tu-154M, and includes many features not present in other freeware aircraft. It is a requirement to read the documentation and learn how to start up and operate the aircraft properly. Sorry, there's no "easy" mode for this bird!  :)

[Boikat]

Well, I downloaded and installed the package package, and keeping the engines running wasn't a problem, so much as "es_154_2_06.GAU"  that bugger kept cycling "incompatable, yadda" or whatever no matter how many times I clicked "close".  Even the "three finger saluse" didn't work because that warning kept flashing over the task manager, so I had to kill the computer.  Once rebooted, I deleted that and "154_b2_CP2.gau".

After that, the sim booted and the engines kept running.  It may have been another Russian aircraft I had the engine run problems with.

[Sean_TK]

Boikat,

Did you download the Tu-154M from the official website in my link above, and now included in this post?
If you get this aircraft, or the b2 version for that matter, from the official source, you shouldn't be having these compatibility problems.
It sounds like the other source that you mentioned you obtained it from tried to hack the aircraft to make it easier to operate, but ended up just screwing things up!
From your description, due to possible modification of the files, your aircraft sounds as if it is not initializing properly, and you are not getting a proper simulation of the Tu-154 series aircraft.

http://www.fs-proteam.com/products.html

-SeanTK

Hopefully we'll figure out Dragboat's original problem soon as well!  ;)

[Boikat]

Nope.  Downloaded it from Simviation.  If that is the cause of the problem, you may want to fire off a message to Pete, 'cause it sounds like there may be an "ownership" issue, even if the add-on is Freeware, especially if there are things needed other than the aircraft download package.  No doubt if donw correctly (from your site) the aircraft will work 'par exelaunce', so any problems I am having are my problems, not yours!  ;)

Excelent rendition of the aircraft, BTW!!   I always liked the look of Russian aircraft.  It's like almost every aircraft design had an "aesthetics" section.  

[Sean_TK]

Alrighty then,

I already had to tell Pete about a PT aircraft in the FSX section that someone hacked and uploaded a while ago, and now it looks like their is at least one that I missed in the FS2004 section.

http://www.simviation.com/fs2004jets112.htm
^^ I don't know if this was hacked, but besides that, this is an old version! The newest version is v9.6.1.
http://www.simviation.com/fs2004jets62.htm
^^ I also found one on here, but this does not seem to be a Project Tupolev aircraft.

I haven't seen the newer M model on here yet...

I believe the only way to obtain the most recent, non-edited, editions of the Tu-154 series is to go to the official site and download them!
Also, the team's Tu-154M and the Tu-154b2 will NOT yet work properly in FSX!!!
As far as needed components though, everything should be included to fly the aircraft properly after installation in an official download, the issue is just third-parties trying to make the aircraft easier to operate.  ;)

Thanks for the info Boikat, it is appreciated.  :)
Using the b2 model from here would also explain your compatability issues. In the newest version, they removed the necessity to manually register some gauges through FSUIPC. I'm sure if you try version 9.6.1 of the Tu-154b2, you will have zero problems.
Don't forget to try out the latest version of the Tu-154M as well! It's great, and even has more systems simulation than the b2 does.


Hopefully Dragboat is on the way to figuring out his problems as well!  ;)

[Boikat]

No prob.

I also found the other Tupolev that had engine run problems, probably for the same reason, the TU-134A, also downloaded from Simviation.

http://www.simviation.com/simviation/?ID=60&page=2

I'm all in favor of freeware downloads, but I'm also in favor of creative control.

[Sean_TK]

*sigh*

And this is probably the SCS model, NOT compatible with FSX either....
The proper version 1 is available here:
http://www.sovclassim.org/tu134.html
Just click on the version 1 image on the right.

Thanks,
-SeanTK

If you have any other problems with the Project Tupolev Tu-154, let me know.  ;)
I'm still learning much about the -134, due to a lack of English documentation.

EDIT: Looks like the original SCS link no longer works, but I believe that the PT support forum has some links on where to get it:
http://www.protu-154.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7751

[Mooneypilot1993]

Ok guys i have gotten the Tu 154 to run last night. Its a complicated process, but its well worth it. Hopefully ill be able to fly it today. Ive been busy with my Dad anualing our 1950 B-35 Bonanza.
Thanks guys .
Kevin.

[Mooneypilot1993]

Heres a pic of the Tupolev in flight.

[Sean_TK]

Congrats! It looks like you've got the b2 model working!
Have you tried the M model yet?  :)