Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

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Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby aritrixa » Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:45 am

Dear Friends,

I am a newbie on flight simulator. I have a life-time dream to become a pilot, but.. -sigh- too old now to start.

OK, I passed my PPL license on FS9 and now like very much on Learjet. I always use autopilot during cruising, even when I am about to approach. Usually I disengage autopilot (Z) on 300-400 AGL and continue to land manually. However, everytime I disengage the AP my Learjet always responds too much on pitch configuration, either "nodding" or "climbing" and I have to correct the pitch again. Why is that? How to handle that?

Second question. I heard many times that some of you can leave for real sleeping during long haul flight-simming. How can you do that as you have to respond to ATC call?

Thanks so much...
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby BFMF » Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:56 am

It could be your trim not set properly

As for your second question, those people you refer to obviously aren't trying to be as realistic as possible. If you're going to leave the FS and sleep, you might as well increase the time rate... ::)
You could not fly on an IFR flight plan and not worry about keeping in touch with ATC while on route. If I remember right, there was a way around it while on an IFR flightplan. When ATC asks you to contact another flight center, respond, and switch frequencies. After your nap, dinner, ect, simply contact the new controller and follow instructions...
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby Brett_Henderson » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:00 am

As for landing the Lear (any plane)..
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby Nav » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:20 am

Welcome to SimV, aritrixa.

First, you don't say if you switch off the autothrottle ('Speed Hold') first? That's essential, 'Z' won't turn it off, and it's best to do it before you turn off the autopilot.

Second, it's normal to have to adjust the fore-and-aft trim after you turn off the autopilot. Almost all FS aeroplanes will pitch up a bit as you do that (some more than others). The remedy is to keep calm, control it with the joystick, and re-trim. You may find it useful to 'assign' the thumb buttons on your joystick to 'trim' (Go into 'Settings', then 'Assignments,' find the existing assignments for 'Trim Up' and 'Trim Down,' and substitute your buttons).

Third, this may help with landings in general:-

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 1111322151
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby Xyn_Air » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:21 pm

Greetings Aritrixia!

I am always glad to see someone else new to SimV and learning to fly so I don't feel so alone!  (I wonder when I will mature into a grizzled veteran and can stop saying that.  ;D)  Anyway, glad you are here!

In answer to your first question, I found that I often got excessive pitching when I took the autopilot off after extending flaps.  Now, this could be because in my inexperience I have the aircraft trimmed poorly, but it is perhaps one thing to try.  Also, if you are using a joystick and the flight surfaces want to move to where the joystick is located/calibrated versus where the flight surfaces were trimmed during autopilot, you may get some pitching as you match your joystick to where you want the aircraft to be trimmed.  One example of this is if you move your throttle setting (if your joystick has that) and then disengage the autopilot.  The throttle may then adjust itself to the throttle setting on the joystick, and if significantly different than the autopilot setting, you could get excessive pitching of the nose.

The best thing is to keep practicing, keep learning (those flight lessons are very useful), and try different things to discover more about how the aircraft handle.  Fortunately, we get to make a lot of mistakes to learn from in FS without a high insurance deductible.  ;)

As to your second question, there are some other options besides sleeping to get you through a long flight.  Here are my suggestions:

1) Save the flight at different points along your journey and do a bit at a time.  Often I will fly for a couple hours a night, save my flight progress, and continue on the next day.

2) Set up your "cockpit" to provide you with necessary supplies and entertainment for a long flight.  By your cockpit, I don't me the one in the game, but I mean wherever you are physically sitting to play FS.  I have a narrow, three-shelf rolling cart to one side of my chair, my desk and computer in front of me, and a refrigerator to the other side of my chair.  On my cart, I put everything from magazines to airport maps to coffee pots . . . anything I think I might need if I had to sit down for the long haul.  If you prepare yourself to have everything in reach that you might want on a real flight of significant duration, you might find that you can pull off some long haul flights in FS pretty well.

3) If you are using speakers and have your aircraft trimmed well (or on autopilot), don't be afraid to get up and stretch your legs while keeping and eye on the screen and listening for ATC.  Sometimes real life gets in the way of what we would rather be doing.  ::)  So, there are times I keep an eye on what is happening in FS during a long flight while I take time to get up and do dishes or laundry, or clean up the flat.  This is not too terribly realistic, but on long flights in say passenger liners, the flight crew can and will get up every now and then (well, not all of them all at once!  ;D).  Anyway, don't be afraid to multi-task if you need to.

4) Finally, if you are just wanting to move from where you take off to where you are landing, and the intervening distance and flight experience is of little interest to you, you can always use the time compression as Esselbach mentioned, or you can also use the slew mode to move your aircraft where you want it in short order.  If you are looking to practice a lot of landings, you might want to consider saving your flights to your favorite destinations right before you begin your final approach.  That way, you can load up your flight and start right at the exciting bits.

Well, I hope something in all of that was of help.  Glad to see you, good luck, and hope to continue to hear from you.

All the best! ~ Darrin
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby aritrixa » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:24 pm

Friends,

Thank you for warm welcome, valuable advices, important lessons...

@nav
Just printed out your tute about landing. I will try it as soon as I back home...

@Xyn_Air/Darrin
Thanks for warm welcome. Sounds that you have a nice and cozy simming room...  ;)
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby beaky » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:25 pm

Dear Friends,

I am a newbie on flight simulator. I have a life-time dream to become a pilot, but.. -sigh- too old now to start.



Rubbish. you may be too old for an airline position (by the time you get your ATP), but you are never, I repeat never too old to get your PP or sport or glider pilot's license. It may seem that there is no "practical" use for a PP, but isn't it "practical" to enjoy life? ;D


(Earned my PPASEL at age 34)
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby Xyn_Air » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:28 am

@Xyn_Air/Darrin
Thanks for warm welcome. Sounds that you have a nice and cozy simming room...  ;)


Well, I live in a Japanese apartment, so everything ends up being cozy one way or the other.  ;D  Actually, my computer desks are set up along one wall of my kitchen.  Since I have no dining table, I am able to get away with setting things up however I like to play FS.  Of course, when I move back home from Japan next year, I don't think my sweety is going to let me get away with the same thing.  ::)  Which is why in the long run I will take my experiences in tinkering with set-ups now, and the helpful advice of everyone here, and get around to building a virtual cockpit.  But that is a whole different story.  ;)

I am glad you are enjoying FS and your time here in SimV!

Rubbish. you may be too old for an airline position (by the time you get your ATP), but you are never, I repeat never too old to get your PP or sport or glider pilot's license. It may seem that there is no "practical" use for a PP, but isn't it "practical" to enjoy life? ;D


(Earned my PPASEL at age 34)


Well, I learned something new: PPASEL = Private Pilot Aircraft Single Engine Land.  Is this a basic pilot's license/certification?

Anyway, you mentioned being 34, Rotty.  I am 35 now, and probably will not have the money and time to start flight lessons until I am closer to 40.  Obviously, trying to be a commercial pilot is not the goal, but I would like to get a private pilot's license.  Setting aside such concerns as money and finding a flight school in my area, am I still within a reasonable age range to make pursuing a PPL a reasonable dream to chase? (maybe I should re-post this question in one of the aviation forums here . . .)
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby BFMF » Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:09 am

[quote]Anyway, you mentioned being 34, Rotty.
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby carmadmike » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:14 pm

i wanted to be a pilot, but im colourblind so that aint ever going to happen  :-[ :'(
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby FsNovice » Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:02 pm

[quote]i wanted to be a pilot, but im colourblind so that aint ever going to happen
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return – Leonardo da Vinci.
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby carmadmike » Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:15 pm

[quote][quote]i wanted to be a pilot, but im colourblind so that aint ever going to happen
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby Xyn_Air » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:19 pm

[quote][quote]i wanted to be a pilot, but im colourblind so that aint ever going to happen
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Re: Questions: Autopilot and Long-Haul

Postby JBaymore » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:34 pm

Xyn,

Annunciators typically come in green, amber, and red...... and you can likely figure out what the colors indicate
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