737 Landing

[JBaymore]

I hadn't realised that you could assign the spoilers to an axis. I either use a key assigned on my joystick or the "/" key. Hence my comment "all or nothing." The only "axis" control I have on my joystick is the throttle (Saitek Cyborg Evo.) If you know of another way I can assign it, I would be very gratefull.

Zaphod,

If you have a physical spoiler handle on the throttle quadrant you have to be able to use it!

[Nexus]

With I slow down it seems that my nose just drops down. I compensate with trim and i fin myself too high.

Not sure you're listening, a1 - but I'll try again in case it helps other people.

The thing you have to remember is that aeroplanes are not like cars or bicycles. They work in three dimensions, not two. It is our luck that FS models that difference perfectly. PLEASE get the hang of two things.

As I tried to explain:-

1. The way to slow down on a landing approach is NOT to cut power, it is to raise the nose.

2. The way to reduce the rate of descent is to add power.

I suspect that you are trying to 'drive' the thing like a car. To 'slow down' you reduce power, to land you aim the nose straight down at the runway. Both those things are just plain wrong...

Sorry, but that applies to piston engines.
Turbines needs their spool up time and your advice is extra hazardous if you are a tad behind on the power curve. Trust me.
Flying a turbine is a very different dime than piloting piston engined aircrafts  :)

[Zaphod]

I hadn't realised that you could assign the spoilers to an axis. I either use a key assigned on my joystick or the "/" key. Hence my comment "all or nothing." The only "axis" control I have on my joystick is the throttle (Saitek Cyborg Evo.) If you know of another way I can assign it, I would be very gratefull.

Zaphod,

If you have a physical spoiler handle on the throttle quadrant you have to be able to use it!

[a1]

I think I got the speed and how to slow down part in my head. Now one more thing. Does anyof you have any tips on how to line up perfectly on the centerline? I just need to get my plane on the right spot.

[JBaymore]

Does anyof you have any tips on how to line up perfectly on the centerline? I just need to get my plane on the right spot.

In the spirit of Fozzer...... that would be "Do any of you...........".

And it is the same way a musician gets to Carnegie Hall; practice, practice, practice.

[a1]

I know it's "Do" I was just typing really fast without thinking.  ::)

I heard something about letting the centerline go through the center of your legs until flare does that work? :-?

[Brett_Henderson]

Keep focused on the departure end of the runway.. Don't "aim" at the arrival end..

[Nav]

I land at a speed of 120 knots fine. I don't use spoilers and only 15-25 degrees of flaps. Very smooth to me.

Does anyof you have any tips on how to line up perfectly on the centerline? I just need to get my plane on the right spot.

You're likely to go ON having trouble lining up, a1, until you take some of the advice everyone's been trying to give you and start landing at the proper speed with the proper flap setting.

Anyway, I've done MY best - see you later..........

[Orlaam]

Read here to get a synopsis of how the approach and final phase are conducted normally in real world ops.

[DizZa]

I don't think 737s land with flapse 15 in real life....

[Nexus]

I don't think 737s land with flapse 15 in real life....

Only during landings with one engine inop.
They usually land flap 30/40.

Btw, an alternative way of slowing down to approach phase is simply to drop the gear, extend limit is 270Knots/M.82, whereas flaps 1 is limited to 250knots.
And yes, that is even recommended in many company procedures if you are "high and fast ":)

"Normally, the landing gear should not be extended until after flaps 5 have been
extended. However, if additional drag is required landing gear extension may
be accomplished at any time below 270 knots."

[Brett_Henderson]

If you're below 10,000msl, you're already going slower than 250kias... and if you're anywhere near a large airport's airspace, you're already under 200kias...

I've been in a 737 that deployed "something" (noticeable deceleration) when we were near 10,000.. and I'll assume it was to get the airspeed down below 250kias...

[Nexus]

If you're below 10,000msl, you're already going slower than 250kias... and if you're anywhere near a large airport's airspace, you're already under 200kias...

I've been in a 737 that deployed "something" (noticeable deceleration) when we were near 10,000.. and I'll assume it was to get the airspeed down below 250kias...

Maybe true in the US, but when traffic is light ATC can issue "high speed" approaches around here, if you are number 1 for landing. Gear comes pretty handy as an energy absorber  :)

[JBaymore]

I can't remember a RW flight in which the spoilers were not deployed during descent (747, 737).  I tend to fly "cattle class" and usually get a window seat near the wings...... and I watch the timing of such stuff.

best,

..................john


PS:  Nexus...... good to see you around.

[Zaphod]

[quote]I can't remember a RW flight in which the spoilers were not deployed during descent (747, 737).