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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby Falcon500 » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:26 am

for giggles i made up a near world tour (U.S, Europe) (lets see if i can do this :o)


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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby N2744X » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:15 am

Actually, thats not true. In normally aspirated engines (not turbocharged), such as a Cessna 150, 152, 172, Piper Cherokee 140 and 180, the engines can be run at full power as long as you like. In fact, Climb power is the same as takeoff power (full throttle), and reducing the power for cruise is at the pilots descretion. Long story short, the engines are factory approved to run at full power for the duration of the flight. As long as they are not turbo charged, in which case, the factory usually sets a time limit. On the TSIO-520NBs that my Cessna 414AW has, the factory limit for full throttle at 35in ManPressure is 5min.


I'm not really following you. :-? Are you speaking of a real plane or a simulated one? Real planes have strict rules of work, I know perfectly. But under FS a common plane that's not been coded to give a certain answer to the (mis)treatment of the pilot, will continue flying as long it has virtual fuel.

I was talking about simulated planes under FS, you know. The Real Thing is another matter. That's one of my pet peeves with a simulator that boasts to be "as real as it gets" (under whose definition though, M$ has still to tell no one). Nothing more.



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Those are exceptions, Volo. Nice, well done exceptions, but exceptions nonetheless. The rule under FS is different, you know.


You claimed that no pilot would ever think to run the engines at full power and leave them there. But as long as the engine is not turbocharged, its just fine, and its actually what most cessna 150 and 172 pilots do. Even turboprops. Turboprops, believeit or not, are actually built to run at 100% torque. (Full Power)
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby ashaman » Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:31 am

You claimed that no pilot would ever think to run the engines at full power and leave them there. But as long as the engine is not turbocharged, its just fine, and its actually what most cessna 150 and 172 pilots do. Even turboprops. Turboprops, believeit or not, are actually built to run at 100% torque. (Full Power)


What you say about TRT (The Real Thing) is prolly true, I don't know, having had no real experience on this matter. Still, having looked around for indepth information on various real planes do to tweak the dynamics of my simulated planes, be they turbocharged or aspirated, piston powered or turbine, I've always found the warning to not keep the throttle maxed for over a certain amount of time, even for the non turbocharged C182 or the smaller pipers.

Now, this request be borne out of necessity to keep the engine from overheat, blow out outright or whatever else, I can't really know, but having found as a constant that the max power is to be used "cum grano salis" (with intelligence and caution) every time, I've deduced that, yes, max power can and is used in reality, but obviously not set and forgot like you can do with absolute impunity in almost all the planes under FS (with the well coded plane as the exception that, as their wont, always confirm the rule).

And in fact, I quote myself again:

...No Cessna/Piper/Partenavia/De Havilland/Whatever pilot would dream to max throttle and forget it there...


I never said that requesting max power from your plane is a taboo to be avoided at all costs IRL. But only that is something that you can't do at your leisure like FS(anynumber) allows you to do. ;)
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby Manbot_AMP » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:10 pm

just landed at Fiumicino, visibility was very low as it was very overcaste. i had to land at athens aswell to have a quick re-fuel as what i had left wouldn have last me thr trip.
noe im planing to do some shorter trips.
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby ashaman » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:37 pm

What plane did you use by the way? :)
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby Manbot_AMP » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:32 pm

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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby Capt._Viper » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:35 pm

You talk about planning for fuel stops, but how about determining how far you have flown?? :-? :-?
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby ashaman » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:56 pm

You talk about planning for fuel stops, but how about determining how far you have flown?? :-? :-?


Last time I checked this was a part of the flight plan. :P

You don't fly IFR without a flight plan. 8-)
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby Manbot_AMP » Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:36 pm

what do u mean? i didnt calculate the distance traveled, but i had to stop to re-fuel or i wouldnt have reached rome. yes i did use IFR flight plan.
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby ashaman » Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:48 pm

Probably he thought you flew without flight plan and so had to keep track of the distance to know when to land. I only pointed out the obvious. :P

Yes, I am Captain Obvious at times. :D

Then again, I'm hardly alone. ;D
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby Manbot_AMP » Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:02 pm

molto strano, anyways im planing to make another long flight with my newly downloaded concored, any suggestios in wat flight i might do?
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Re: Refuel - repair

Postby ashaman » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:18 am

Return home going west with a mandatory stop at Ushuaia intl. ;D

Then again, a Concorde on the runway of SAWH... :o You had choose a plane to do your next flights that requires a long runway. It will not allow you to stop in some of the more scenic and difficult places on your way back because of runway limitations. ::)

Try to return home going west stopping at Rio de Janeiro then. :D
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