I forgot how to fly

[jpw]

So ive been flying in fs2004 for the past 2 years or so with the Saitek X45 joystick and throttle combo, and id say got pretty damn good at the flying part with the joystick

well my order just came in yesterday

CH Products USB Flight sim Yoke and the USB Pro rudder pedals

I can land and take off, but lately my landings arent that pretty, my takeoffs are ok now but when i first tried i was damn am i drunk.  I have hard time holding attitude in a turn, which i think is not being used to pulling back so hard to hold alltitude ( this is in a steep bank turn). Shallow turns is no problem just light back pressue and the vsi stays close to 0.

ohh and i cant taxi very good anymore, probably just not used to the sensitivity of the pedels.

but other than my flaws very nice products, i think i just need to work on my skillz

[Mees]

Copilot: 'LEARN TO DRIVE, PAL!!!!!'



Yes the Saitek stuff is much diffrent, much more sensitive.....

[Hai Perso Coyone?]

Flying in FS is one thing you can never forget how to do...it's like learning how to ride a bike...You'll never forget once you manage to get the hang of it

[ashaman]

Have you tried to flap your wings?

Pedals are GREAT once you get yourself in the game. Crosswinds without pedals are hell on earth, with pedals they are just another part of the landing.

All you have to do is to learn how to fly, but for real this time.

[vololiberista]

You need to put your yoke up to maximum sensitivity!!!
And from a real pilot point of view anticipation is the name of the game.  Make small movements of the yoke in anticipation of what the a/c wants to do. Don't let it run away!
Vololiberista

[alrot]

I can't even fly without my yoke &

[Hai Perso Coyone?]

Have you tried to flap your wings?

Pedals are GREAT once you get yourself in the game. Crosswinds without pedals are hell on earth, with pedals they are just another part of the landing.

All you have to do is to learn how to fly, but for real this time.

That's not true...I've landed the PMDG 747-400 with a 60kt crosswind...wasn't on the centerline...but was down in one piece...

[wji]

"I forgot how to fly"

Referring to the power levers in realworld airplanes, it's:
Push 'em in it goes up; pull 'em out it comes down.
video-to-prove-it

[jpw]

im sure ill get it, just takes some getting used too.

just have a question, after you guys take off do you use the fs2004 elev. trim or the little trim wheel on the  yoke, or both?

also how do you know that the wheel( trim wheel on the yoke) is back into neutral for takeoff?

[vololiberista]

Ok you can asign the rocker switches to elevator and aeleron trim.  All the a/c i fly have gauges that visually repeat the trims. Thus I can set the trim before take-off and during flight.
It also depends on what a/c you like to fly. In a light a/c hold the yoke (so that you are at your target airspeed) trim up or down until you can release the yoke into it's neutral position. This is the nearest you will get to real life where the trim wheel takes away the load on the stick or control column.
In a jet because of the higher speed, higher momentum it is better once airborne after gear up to punch in the AP. As otherwise it's hard work to contain the a/c and also having to fly a SID and noise abatement all at the same time!!!
Vololiberista

[vololiberista]

That's not true...I've landed the PMDG 747-400 with a 60kt crosswind...wasn't on the centerline...but was down in one piece...

Ummm........in real life you would have killed yourself even with the use of rudder pedals!  Most jets have a 40kt max crosswind limit (incl the 747). Light a/c generally have a 25kt limit.
Talk about living dangerously. If i was faced with a 60kt cross wind landing I would divert!!!
Vololiberista

[jpw]

I know that, i have my rocker switches on the yoke set as elevator trim and rudder trim, and when i move that you can see the trim wheel and indicators move.   But what i was asking about is the little trim wheel on the yoke itself.

unless thiers a way to reprogram that trim wheel to the elevator trim in fs2004, mine just moves the center position of the elevator, dose not affect the trim tab what so ever, moves the whole elevator.  You can see this by moving the wheel and watch the yoke and elevator go up and down slightly.

So i was asking for an opinion to see if people use the trim normally, by useing the rocker switchs to move the trim tab, or use the mechanical wheel thats on the yoke, that moves the whole elevator, or if you use both?

And also to see if you use the mechanical wheel thats on the yoke, what do you referance for putting the trim wheel back to neutral, so the elevator is in the neutral position?

Ok you can asign the rocker switches to elevator and aeleron trim.  All the a/c i fly have gauges that visually repeat the trims. Thus I can set the trim before take-off and during flight.
It also depends on what a/c you like to fly. In a light a/c hold the yoke (so that you are at your target airspeed) trim up or down until you can release the yoke into it's neutral position. This is the nearest you will get to real life where the trim wheel takes away the load on the stick or control column.
In a jet because of the higher speed, higher momentum it is better once airborne after gear up to punch in the AP. As otherwise it's hard work to contain the a/c and also having to fly a SID and noise abatement all at the same time!!!
Vololiberista

[vololiberista]

No! the physical trim wheel on the control column should be left alone. It's far too coarse!! Callibrate your control column in XP and then use the trim switches for small adjustments to a/c attitude.
Vololiberista

[flaminghotsauce]

It wouldn't be a bad idea to put a paint mark or something on the mechanical wheel so you can see that it's where you want it. Otherwise, you just fiddle with it until it's somewhere near neutral. I've been meaning to do this to mine.

[beaky]

I know that, i have my rocker switches on the yoke set as elevator trim and rudder trim, and when i move that you can see the trim wheel and indicators move.   But what i was asking about is the little trim wheel on the yoke itself.

unless thiers a way to reprogram that trim wheel to the elevator trim in fs2004, mine just moves the center position of the elevator, dose not affect the trim tab what so ever, moves the whole elevator.  You can see this by moving the wheel and watch the yoke and elevator go up and down slightly.

So i was asking for an opinion to see if people use the trim normally, by useing the rocker switchs to move the trim tab, or use the mechanical wheel thats on the yoke, that moves the whole elevator, or if you use both?

And also to see if you use the mechanical wheel thats on the yoke, what do you referance for putting the trim wheel back to neutral, so the elevator is in the neutral position?

First of all, in flight the trim tab causes deflection of the whole elevator- that's how trim works. Maybe it's animated "wrong" so that you see this even while sitting still, but no matter...

As for trim wheel postion, I confirm mine in the 2D panel view.