707 turns like a PIG.

[wilderobb]

Yes, my 707 turns like a fully loaded 747. Is this normal? I would like to loosen up the stearing a little. Where in the air Cfg. do I change that? Thanks, Wildie.

[simonmd]

Bear in mind it's a big, old, heavy AC. It may be like that in real life.

[BFMF]

He's right, don't expect to be able to outmaneuver anyone else

[elite marksman]

Theres probably only 3 planes in the world (2 flying) that a 707 would be able to out turn. An-225 Myra, B-52 (BUFF), and  the Spruce Goose. 707s are big old birds, don't expect em to handle like your modern jets.
The 707 is a pig, so that probably explains the turning radius too.

[Nexus]

Just a little input here.

Isn't a one-rate turn just dependant on the speed?
I mean think about it....  ;)

[dave3cu]

..but if you must....

The [flight_tuning] section is the easiest place loosen 'er up.

[Formula_1]

Hi guys
I am not trying to start a major debate, but maybe the ole 707 was quite nimble compared to some bigger modern jets.
http://www.historylink.org/essays/print ... ile_id=390

Try to find a video of the 'roll'. There should be some links. The one I have isn't working right now.

[cloud9]

Here's a good video agreeing with formula1's post

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogalle ... 20Roll.mpg

If the link doesn't work go to yahoo.com click video and type 707 barrel role

[Ecko]

Hi guys
I am not trying to start a major debate, but maybe the ole 707 was quite nimble compared to some bigger modern jets.
http://www.historylink.org/essays/print ... ile_id=390

Try to find a video of the 'roll'. There should be some links. The one I have isn't working right now.

Quote from the site

Flying at more than 400 miles per hour just 400 feet above the water, Johnston commenced a sudden ascent. The jet's swept-back wings spiraled as the 128-foot-long, 160,000 pound plane rolled, flying for a short time upside down. Then, for extra measure, Johnston performed a second barrel-roll.

400 feet..

[wealthysoup]

Just a little input here.

Isn't a one-rate turn just dependant on the speed?
I mean think about it....  ;)

I think rate 1 is 3 degrees per second (altough I may be wrong thats the speed I remember) so it should't depend on speed

[elite marksman]

Yes, is is dependent on speed. If you make a 5* per second turn at 150kts, and I make a 5* per second turn at 300kts, my turning radius will be twice as large as yours.

[Nexus]

Yes, is is dependent on speed. If you make a 5* per second turn at 150kts, and I make a 5* per second turn at 300kts, my turning radius will be twice as large as yours.

Touch

[Brett_Henderson]

The best place to adjust the "heaviness" of a plane is  in these lines, in the aircraft.cfg file:

;Moments of Inertia
empty_weight_pitch_MOI  = 3172439
empty_weight_roll_MOI   = 2262183
empty_weight_yaw_MOI    = 3337024
empty_weight_coupled_MOI = 0

Those numbers are from a 737 (I think it's the default 737)..

These are from a 747:

;Moments of Inertia
empty_weight_pitch_MOI  = 18000000
empty_weight_roll_MOI   = 5500000
empty_weight_yaw_MOI    = 16300000
empty_weight_coupled_MOI= 0.0

And these from a KingAir:

;Moments of Inertia
empty_weight_pitch_MOI  = 37000
empty_weight_roll_MOI   = 24200
empty_weight_yaw_MOI    = 44500
empty_weight_coupled_MOI= 0.0

And finally, these from a C172:


;Moments of Inertia
empty_weight_pitch_MOI  = 1400.0
empty_weight_roll_MOI   = 1137.0
empty_weight_yaw_MOI    = 2360.0
empty_weight_coupled_MOI= 0.0

Some designers get carried away trying to make their planes "feel" big and heavy..


You get the idea  ;)

[microlight]

I agree with Brett - and often it's a matter of 'feel' (and personal taste) with adjusting these figures. Mine for the 707 are set a little lower than the 747 but not by much - certainly nowhere near as low as the default 737.

These do make a difference - for example from the other extreme, the moment of inertia settings in the aircraft.cfg for the Posky 757 (which is the nearest Boeing in size to the 707, I think) are lower again than those of the default 737, so that it has a very light 'feel' which I'm not sure is right.

You have to be a little careful though - lower the values too far and the plane will start skipping around on the ground, as it won't have enough inertia to cope with  the mass of the plane.