Aerobatics

[ChallengerII]

I fly mainly aerobatics on MSFS 9 and I hope that there are more people out there like me and I started this as a place for all the virtual aerobatic pilots to talk about this and that. Also I have some other things that I'd like to address.
The first is does anyone know of any good sites that strictly have aerobtic aircraft for MSFS 9? Second, I've tried and tried to perform tumbling manouvers (lomcevaks, shoulder rolls etc...) and when I try to perform these manuevers my airplane flies all over the screen and does anything but what the controll inputs tell it should be doing. If anyone could help me or have info on these things it would be much appreciated and I hope this thread is used.

"We take the power off when we dont want to fly anymore" Sean D. Tucker

[ozzy72]

Well you'll find my handy aerobatics tutorial on http://www.simviation.com/fshelp.htm down on the right in the FS2004 section.
As for dedicated sites there aren't any however there is an aerobatic screenshot competition coming up very soon check out http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/ ... 1136427321

Ozzy

[Ecko]

You're THE Sean D. Tucker?!

[Chris_F]

In general I've been disapointed by MSFS's flight model when it comes to odd flying attitudes, like those you routinely experience in aerobatics.  IMO even the old game "Flight Unlimited" did a MUCH better job for aerobatics.

I've heard a ton of good things about the flight model in X-plane so you may want to give that a shot.  X-plane is a dirty word around here so don't expect to get a lot of positive advice regarding the software.  Certainly MSFS has tons of advantages over X-plane overall, but for acrobatics I think it would be a better choice for you.

I will say that when it comes to straight and level flight, nearly straight and level flight, or typical flying attitudes (like those you'd experience during a commercial airline flight) MSFS is passable and even quite good.  But for flight which departs from the norm you really should look elsewhere.

[Moach]

i liked x-plane, the flight dynamics are incredibly better, didn't try any stunts tho... damn 6-minute trial version ....  but comparing it to FS you have a tradeoff...

on one hand, x-plane has much better physics, smoother performance and a bunch of other cool stuff such as glider tow and much more....

on the other hand, it does not have the ever-giving addon-making community FS has, most x-plane addons are payware and it doesn't look quite as sharp... the scenery is very nice, but the planes don't quite cut it graphics-wise


so what you have there is a trade, neither FS nor X-Plane are capable of completely substituting each other


X-Moach

[Saitek]

I'm happy with just FS.

[C]

The first is does anyone know of any good sites that strictly have aerobtic aircraft for MSFS 9? Second, I've tried and tried to perform tumbling manouvers (lomcevaks, shoulder rolls etc...) and when I try to perform these manuevers my airplane flies all over the screen and does anything but what the controll inputs tell it should be doing. If anyone could help me or have info on these things it would be much appreciated and I hope this thread is used.

As has been pointed out, MSFS has always been deficient when it comes to how an aeroplane "departs" from controlled flight (spins, snap/flick rolls, lomcevaks being examples of controlled "departures in effect). Real Air Simulations seemed to crack the spinning problem, and their flight models are some of the best around. Stall turns are another that MS struggles with, and to do these well you'd really need more than one monitor (at least 2) to get the required visual references.

However, with judicious use of panning in the VC it's possible to perform looping and rolling manouvres very well.

PS, Welcome to SimV Challenger...

[ozzy72]

I have to agree that X-Plane has the edge in performance (I'd disagree about the free/payware issue as I've found loads of good freebies for it). However graphically it is a bit FS98...
The trick with FS is to spend time twiddling and tweeking to get it just right for your own setup at home. Once you've done that you should be okay. Oh and have all the realisms (except the old airframe strain) set to max as that should help matters

[vt6]

not sure what ive done but i have no problem doing aerobatics. have you tried but the relism at hard with all the sliders at max. i think that how i have mine done.
i have also seen when flying the stock 300's it well not tumble or flat spin right it more of a invisible angry baby shaking it around.

braydan

[Chris_F]

not sure what ive done but i have no problem doing aerobatics. have you tried but the relism at hard with all the sliders at max. i think that how i have mine done.
i have also seen when flying the stock 300's it well not tumble or flat spin right it more of a invisible angry baby shaking it around.

braydan

Oh, doing the aerobatics isn't a problem.  Loops, rolls, etc are cake.  But doing the aerobatics in a plane that behaves like a realy plane would in those conditions just ain't gonna happen with MS's flight model.  It's not a mere matter of making the little simulated aircraft contort itself, it's a matter of making the experience realistic.

[ozzy72]

The trick is to find aircraft that have the ability to spin, there are a few payware and freeware ones that have this ability, you'll find they fly much more realistically than most others

[Formula_1]

Hi ChallengerII and welcome to SimV.

I don't know of any site dedicated to aerobatics for FS9, sorry. I wish I did though.

There is a very nice Christen Eagle here;
http://www.simviation.com/fs2004props77.htm

IMO, it is one of the best flying aerobatic planes going and also one of the best freeware planes around to boot.

Like everyone has said, FS9 isn't that good at tumbling maneuvers and even the world virtual aerobatic team must use IL-2 in order to perform in a rather realistic manner. Though there isn't any modern aerobatic planes in it. Only WW-2 fighters. Even so, with light fuel so are able to do a wide range of complex maneuvers.
LOL, I just remember I made a sale for Natural Points TrackIR to a friend in Latvia by sending him an aerobatic track flying the Hurricane while using TIR. Anyway, in my opinion, IL-2 does handle stalls, spins, side slips, etc much better than FS9.

Yet the Christen Eagle is pretty good at most unlimited type stuff in FS9. Just be sure to reduce your fuel load to around 20lbs or so.

[beaky]

There's a free Buecker and a Stampe out there; neither spins properly but will sedately snap-roll, etc.- I accidentally did a slow-motion Lomchevak in the Stampe once; very interesting...
The Buecker is excellent, if you like the old-school stuff.
I think an aerobatics forum would be a really good idea...

[ChallengerII]

I was wondering also if anyone would be interested in forming a club similar to the IAC (International Aerobatic Club) but maybe call it the VAC (Virtual Aerobatic Club), a site where all aspects of virtual aerobatics can come together, whether its solo acts, or formation teams they will all be welcome here. Post back and let me know what you think of this

"We take the power off when we don't want to fly anymore"
Sean D. Tucker

[Formula_1]

I was wondering also if anyone would be interested in forming a club similar to the IAC (International Aerobatic Club) but maybe call it the VAC (Virtual Aerobatic Club), a site where all aspects of virtual aerobatics can come together, whether its solo acts, or formation teams they will all be welcome here. Post back and let me know what you think of this

"We take the power off when we don't want to fly anymore"
Sean D. Tucker

I would certainly enjoy such a site.