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Postby krazyj » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:23 am

hey guys

wa planning a trip from Heathrow to sydney.. but neither of my long range aircraft ( PSS340 and PDMG 744) could do it one trip... anyone know what flies the trip and if they go down somewhere on the middle to refuel and can it be done in one trip ??

would really like to know

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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby Hai Perso Coyone? » Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:55 am

hey guys

wa planning a trip from Heathrow to sydney.. but neither of my long range aircraft ( PSS340 and PDMG 744) could do it one trip... anyone know what flies the trip and if they go down somewhere on the middle to refuel and can it be done in one trip ??

would really like to know

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BA does it...stop-over in Dubai...equipment is a 747-400 ;)
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby BAW0343 » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:45 am

kinda long for a one sitting isent it? When you run low on fuel ditch aircraft (bring passengers and luggage..duh) and go find a new plane that will make it the rest of the way;)
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby JetPilot » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:27 am

I am sure a friend stopped off near Japan or Singapore, not sure which, also not sure who they flew with.
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby Nexus » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:40 am

Boeing 777LR *cough cough*
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby Nav » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:08 am

Been there, done that.....
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby phantom1 » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:32 am

You could use the Boeing 747-400 or 777, or even the Airbus A340 if you don't have an A380. the stop off points are Singapore, Bankgkock, or Kuala Lumpor. The middle Eastern airlines stop off at Dubai, or .... I can't think of the other place just now. We made the trip from Australia to London and back with Malaysia Airlines 2 years ago, and stopped off in KL. The stop off point will depend on which airline you choose to fly with.

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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby krazyj » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:37 am

ok so the options so far is a 744 with a stop over in dubai or get a hold on a 777LR

anyone know where I can get this ??

would really like to make it in one hop...

but I guess the trip is a bit long :D

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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby Nav » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:54 am

Didn't make myself clear, krasyj. That 787 WILL make it in one hop - in FS2004; I've done it. The real thing won't, not yet anyway.
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby krazyj » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:08 am

ok

well I want it to be realistic.. no offence and Im sure when the 787 comes out it will be able to or at some point.. but since it isnt out yet....

hope you know what I mean :)

but thanx for the info :)
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby cspyro21 » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:53 am

Well, when I did this trip, we stopped over in Singapore with BA and Bangkok with Qantas.

your best bet is indeed a 777, good luck with it!
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby Nav » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:05 pm

ok

well I want it to be realistic.. no offence and Im sure when the 787 comes out it will be able to or at some point.. but since it isnt out yet....

hope you know what I mean :)

but thanx for the info :)


Does you credit, krazyj! But it depends what you mean by 'realistic'?  :)

Heathrow/Sydney is not actually all that far by modern standards - it's about 9,400 nautical miles 'as the crow flies'. At the moment pretty well all longhaul airliners are designed to have an effective range of 8,000nms. But 'effective' means carrying a full payload in terms of passengers/cargo.

So Heathrow/Sydney is already possible for existing hardware, if it is not carrying much in terms of a payload. In addition, flying east, if you use 'real weather', you will get the benefit of favourable winds. As a matter of fact, the world distance record for a commercial airliner (10,587nms.) was held (until last week) by a Qantas Boeing 747-400 which flew London/Sydney nonstop on its delivery flight in 1989.

The record is now 11,664nms. and is held by the 777-200LR which flew Hong Kong/London (eastbound) last week.

So if by 'realistic' you mean using an aircraft which is in service, carrying a full load of passengers, and following correct airway routes, it can't be done (not if the aircraft in FS9 are correctly modelled with regard to range, anyway).

But if you care to go into 'Aircraft/Fuel and Payload' and reduce or remove the passenger load, and also download 'real weather', you could probably do it with the default FS9 747-400 as it stands (if it is correctly modelled). Might make a good 'adventure' to try that? :)

If you want an aircraft that is 'in service', and also one carrying a full load, you'll have to find and download the 777-200LR, and also wait till January 2006 (when it will enter service with Pakistan Int. Airlines). That aeroplane will be capable of Heathrow-Sydney in real  life (though it will need extra tanks/reduced load to go the other way).

The 787-9 is 'billed' to have a 'still air' range of at least 8,500 nms. with a full load, and will almost certainly do better than that in practice. So it will be capable of making the eastbound trip as well. The reason that the FS9 version can already do it is that I didn't have to worry about having any fuel reserve on arrival. But it won't be built and flying till 2008 at the earliest!

Anyway, all this has given me an idea - I'm going to reduce the payload of the default 747 and try that nonstop trip myself! :)
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby krazyj » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:13 am

hey guys

what I meant was an aircraft that was in service today... as the 77LR and the 744 so using the 787 is not an option.. I my self will try to decrease the load and see if I can make it with the pmdg 744  but let me know how yours go :)

later

wish me luck I have a test in legislation in 20 min will post how it went later : ??? :-X  

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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby Nav » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:46 am

Good luck with the test, krazyj!

Don't know the PMDG version, hope I haven't lured you into a long flight ending in disappointment. Still, if you don't look like making it to Sydney you can always divert to Darwin - at least you will have done UK-Oz in one hop.

But it should be OK. I set off from Heathrow in the default 747, carrying only 30 passengers (6,600lbs.) and did the first 10% of the trip. I've only used 12% of the fuel and I already have a 50-knot tailwind. Consumption will drop as the fuel load lightens, so I'm already confident of making it if the wind holds.

I recommend that you check fuel at every '10% point', and reduce speed/thrust a touch if things don't look good. Also, as far as I'm concerned, feel free to use accelerated time as much as you like. One part of Russia or Mongolia or China looks very much like another, especially at night!

See you at Kingsford-Smith! :)
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Re: EGLL-YSSY

Postby krazyj » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:37 pm

well heres the update as promised....

I passed the test.. dont know my score but we were told that no one was below 80% ( you need 75% to pass ) so I assume that Im well in the green :)

and I think I'll have a go with it this weekend with no pax and full fuel.. then it must be possible.. I mean if 777LR can do it with 5 pax and get in the books it must be possible with no pax ;)

thanx for inputs, do you have any other great ideas for "close call" trips ??
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