Landing

[rich1241]

Hiya,

I would like you to tell me how i can improve landing.
This is what i normally do:-

After recieving clearence from ATC to interecpt localiser, is press the APP button on the autopilot about 10-15 miles out. (NAV1 frequency already set!) Then i adjust the speed for the autothrottle to about 145knots - aircraft depending. When i lower the flaps i get too much nose down - how can this be corrected?

Also, i do not disconnect autopilot until i am just about to touch down - how can i improve this and fly the plance manually + correctly? I have tried disconnecting about 3miles out but i loose to much height + drift of course - NOT ending centreline!

Many thanks,
Richard.

[Saitek]

Hi Richard. It is a subject one can write a thousand words on.  But rather than make an attempt at it, I would direct you to the wonderful tute done by one of our members here. It is very good and should help you.

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/ ... 1111322151

Ben

[rich1241]

Thanks for the link! It is an excellent + informative resource!

However is there any info anout trimming the aircraft?? I really don't have any idea about this!

Thanks again.

[Brett_Henderson]

One of the things most realistic about FS, is that you can progress your skill.. just like the real world.

Fly the 172 for a couple hundred hours til you've mastered it. Then the 182, then the Baron, then the KingAir, then the Lear.. etc.  Mastering each along the way.

If you just putz around in the 172 ,, get bored.. jump up to a heavy jet.. you'll crash  A LOT..  Plus miss out on all that fun and learning.

Never underestimate the sim as a learning tool. I just got back from setting one up for a club member who just started his instrument rating training. We flew some maneuvers in the 172.. I showed him just how realistic the IFR stuff is. By the time we were done.. he had a solid grasp on what was bugging him in the real 172 (partial panel compasss and timed turns (you know ?  "U.N.O.S" (undershoot north overshoot south))).

He was ecstatic.. said, "I just saved a couple hundred bucks in plane rental/training (paid for the sim and his yoke/pedals.. just like that  ;D  )

[Saitek]

Thanks for the link! It is an excellent + informative resource!

However is there any info anout trimming the aircraft?? I really don't have any idea about this!

Thanks again.

There was a thread a few days ago on that. Basically it is just up or down used to control the angle of the plane as it flies (put rather simply ). There are loads of threads on this. Have a dig and you'll find them. Here was the last:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/ ... 1126641780

[MattNW]

Hiya,

Also, i do not disconnect autopilot until i am just about to touch down - how can i improve this and fly the plance manually + correctly? I have tried disconnecting about 3miles out but i loose to much height + drift of course - NOT ending centreline!

Many thanks,
Richard.

The AP will take you down almost to the runway the way you are doing it. If you really want to learn to fly manually however the only advice I can add is practice.

Start small and work your way up. Learn what a good approach feels like and how to manage throttle and pitch in the lower edge of the flight envelope. Once you are familiar with smaller airplanes then transition into larger until you are flying the ones you want. There's not many short cuts to manual flight but once you master that then all your flying will be much smoother and easier whether you are using AP or not. It's also quite gratifying when you AP for some goofy reason decides to cut out or try to fly you straight and level when you should be on approach to just turn it off and take the controls yourself and grease the landing like a pro.

[Saitek]

I think a lot of people make the mistake, who are new to FS, is to jump into a Jumbo and want to master it. It is essential that one starts at the beginning. It was hundreds of hours before I could start handling the biggies and even now when I fly them I fly them on easy mode (just incase ). Start with the Cessna and start about 20 miles form the airport and save the flight at that in the air. Then you can do loads of landings and can keep practising.  8)

[edzmen]

[quote]One of the things most realistic about FS, is that you can progress your skill.. just like the real world.

Fly the 172 for a couple hundred hours til you've mastered it. Then the 182, then the Baron, then the KingAir, then the Lear.. etc.

[BFMF]

I always land manually, and by the seat of my pants

[Brett_Henderson]

If it takes you over 100 hours to master the 172 I'd reccomend you give up and go back to more 'earthbound' forms of entertainment!!

Maybe we have different standards for mastering. If you can learn (from scratch) to make an instrument flight (nailing ALL your headings, altitudes and airspeeds).. put a 172 down in 1/2 mile visibility, stiff crosswind.. non-precision approach.. EVERY time never missing the runway, after only 100 practice hours.. then you're a born ATP and this game no doubt bores you

[Pc-Shark]

well the first thing you are doing wrong is useing the autopilot way to much it your landings. I would be glad to give you a few landing lessons to help you along the way because landing is the most difficult part of flight. Let me know if you want to. I am mostly on 68.44.228.35 which is the Multiplayer server "NJ Short Hops"

[JBaymore]

Hummmmm...... I've been working in ceramics professionally for 33 years... with four years of college before that ...... and I really haven't "mastered" clay.

[edzmen]

Here, here!

[Brett_Henderson]

OK.. semantics.. geez..

Replace all previous uses of the WORD: "master"

with the WORDS: "do well enough to, if done similarly in an actual aircraft, pass an instrument checkride and be ready for the next level of training"


good lord

[Pc-Shark]

[quote]OK.. semantics.. geez..

Replace all previous uses of the WORD: "master"

with the WORDS: "do well enough to, if done similarly in an actual aircraft, pass an instrument checkride and be ready for the next level of training"


good lord