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emergency landing procedures

Postby davidbowman » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:12 pm

Does any one know how to land when you  have an engine failure  ?? any advice will be apreciatted

had an engine failure on my last flight so i trimmed the aircraft  (737-400) and mannaged well to get to my destination but the attempt to land was a nightmare and finally the plane crashed

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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby Calb » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:08 pm

At what point during the landing attempt did the crash occur? Were you flying manually at the time of crash?

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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby Staiduk » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:14 am

1. ALWAYS know where your landing site is. If you're flying an airliner cross country for instance, note several alternate airports along your route - their ICAO's, VOR's, ILS's etc. so you can turn immediately to reach them.

2. When a failure occurs, get the nose down IMMEDIATELY. Trim the aircraft for a safe glide comfortably - but not too far - above stall speed. (e.g. stall for the FS9 737 is 142kias. I'll trim for 180; to get maximum range.)

3. Altitude is money - don't spend it too quickly. Hoard it - spend just enough to keep you airborne. In other words; if you see a likely-looking airport close by; DON'T dive for it - you waste altitude and build up speed you can't use. Use the altitude you have to plan and establish a long straight-in or base entry approach to the runway of your choice. Remember to check the wind - you need to land into the wind; very critical now. (As opposed to a lot of simflight; where folks land in any direction they want.) You don't have power to pull you out of trouble now; so be sure of your approach.

4. Altitude determines approach. If you approach high enough; you will be able to drop flaps and gear and maintain airspeed. (Remember; with the increased drag you'll be going down a lot faster in order to maintain airspeed.) If you're coming in low - i.e. along the glideslope - wait to drop gear and flaps until the last minute. I don't recommend this - things happen too fast that close to the ground.

5. Fly the aircraft onto the runway. With enough practice you will be able to flare/settle like a normal landing; but unless you have that skill; fly her down. You MUST touch down right on the numbers (depending on runway length) or you won't have enough room to stop.

6. Upon touchdown; drop everything - flaps to full; spoilers out, stick a hand out the window. ;) Your puny brakes will need all the help they can get to stop your aircraft.

These are FS9 guidelines only - real procedures are very different. (and I can only speak for GA anyway - haven't a clue about real heavies. ;) )

Hope this helps. :)
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby ozzy72 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:48 am

I find Airplane The Movie a very instructive tutorial ;D
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby Wing Nut » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:33 pm

Put your head between your legs and kiss your a%$ goodbye!  ;D
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby TSC. » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:12 pm

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit smoking  ;D

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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby davidbowman » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:31 pm

thanx to you all for the info and the jokes special thx to Staiduk...

to get to the destination airport was not problem at all but when i attempted to land as usual ( using the ILS )  the plane did not respond as expected  and since had only one engine working  the plane felt like made of steel . anyway i will practice so i can master that.
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby ozzy72 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:49 pm

Trim the aircraft to counter the problem ;)
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby Souichiro » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:59 pm

Soui's Guide to a SimV style Emergency Landing:

First off: If  a warning light switches on, hit your control panel. If the lights stays on you have a problem.

Now this is where it starts:

First put your plane the right way up which usually means that the engines are at the "earth" side and the tail is rising towards space.

What you have to do now is determine what the problem is. This is usually determined by pushing all buttons and seeing which one doesn't react. I find it easier however to just read the letters on the warning light which lit up.

Now have a look where you are..If you are above the  sea with no land in sight you're screwed anyways. If you are flying above a Cloud deck check your map. You might be above land..

If the problem which arose can't be fixed with ducktape or any other Macguyver trick..Don't even bother..

After this you promote your co-pilot to captain..Now he is the one who has to go down with the ship!

Now you're going to have to look for parachutes..Find at least one for yourself, preferably two so that you can take the cute stewardess with you. Don't worry about the passengers just tell them you're going to get help...They are to cramped in their little seats to come after you anyways. After this go into hiding to a tropical island of some sort. (if you don't get eaten by the sharks)


If you consider the plane as "saveable" take it to the nearest field that can hold you as grass strips and 747's don't mix.

From here on it's a gamble..

Let's say one engine is down..put all power to the other engine(s) also shut down fuel supply to the broken engine..Your boss shall praise you for your way of thinking of fuel efficiency. Now point the nose (the thing in front of you) towards the little strip with all the lights on it. If you see a lot of cars driving on it it's a freeway and you're in the wrong direction...Land anyway's watch out for the light thingies.

If you are heading for an airfield..For the last 10 seconds or so close your eyes and call out " Soui is my master" this should get you down safely enough.

After the ten seconds, if you feel a bump you're on the ground. Apply brakes and come to a full stop A.S.A.P.

You are now ready to leave the aircraft. Don't forget to put down the stairs. If you forget this you still have a chance of dieing.... For once be kind to your passengers and help them out.


You are now ready to receive praise.


(Disclaimer: Soui does not take responsibility for failed landing attempts! however money may be donated for succesfull ones  ) This tutorial is written for captains of commercial aircraft like the Boeing 737 and bigger+plus small regional planes..


I hope you'll find this usefull
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby TSC. » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:08 pm

Soui's guide is excellent, but he goes wrong from point 2 onwards - it should look like this:

First off: If  a warning light switches on, hit your control panel. If the lights stays on you have a problem.

Now this is where it starts:

First put your plane the right way up which usually means that the engines are at the "earth" side and the tail is rising towards space.

What you have to do now is determine what the problem is. This is usually determined by pushing all buttons and seeing which one doesn't react. I find it easier however to just read the letters on the warning light which lit up.

Now have a look where you are..If you are above the  sea with no land in sight you're screwed anyways. If you are flying above a Cloud deck check your map. You might be above land..  

If the problem which arose can't be fixed with ducktape or any other Macguyver trick..Don't even bother..

After this you promote your co-pilot to captain..Now he is the one who has to go down with the ship!

Now you're going to have to look for parachutes..Find at least one for yourself, preferably two so that you can take the cute stewardess with you. Don't worry about the passengers just tell them you're going to get help...They are to cramped in their little seats to come after you anyways. After this go into hiding to a tropical island of some sort. (if you don't get eaten by the sharks)


If you consider the plane as "saveable" take it to the nearest field that can hold you as grass strips and 747's don't mix.  

From here on it's a gamble..

Let's say one engine is down..put all power to the other engine(s) also shut down fuel supply to the broken engine..Your boss shall praise you for your way of thinking of fuel efficiency. Now point the nose (the thing in front of you) towards the little strip with all the lights on it. If you see a lot of cars driving on it it's a freeway and you're in the wrong direction...Land anyway's watch out for the light thingies.

If you are heading for an airfield..For the last 10 seconds or so close your eyes and call out " Soui is my master" this should get you down safely enough.

After the ten seconds, if you feel a bump you're on the ground. Apply brakes and come to a full stop A.S.A.P.  

You are now ready to leave the aircraft. Don't forget to put down the stairs. If you forget this you still have a chance of dieing.... For once be kind to your passengers and help them out.  

You are now ready to receive praise.


PRESS 'W'

No warning light - no problem!  ;D

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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby Rocket_Bird » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:28 pm

Soui's checklist is going in my kneeboard for sure, bwahaha
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby Souichiro » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:19 am

Soui's checklist is going in my kneeboard for sure, bwahaha



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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby jrpilot » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:27 am

the 737 should be able to fly with one engine, and if it is the standard one with FS9 well then you really only need one engine (the standard 737-400 in FS9 is well over powered, the aircraft does NOT gain speed that quickly)
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby Chris E » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:55 am

i was reading the info given on the guids on FS9, and it says you can contact teh tower with the emergency, how do you change the radio channel manually to the emergency one?
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Re: emergency landing procedures

Postby Staiduk » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:38 pm

i was reading the info given on the guids on FS9, and it says you can contact teh tower with the emergency, how do you change the radio channel manually to the emergency one?


You don't - that's just smoke on M$'s part.
International distress frequency is 121.5. Try switching to 121.5; all you get is nothing. I suppose you can tune to it and pretend.  :-/

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