Landing Thread (Now With Screenies)

[xFLAMESx]

Hi Will,

The LAST thing I would do is give-up.
I'm sure most of the guys on here had to adjust to FS9's flight physics, heck, I came straight from CombatFS (imagine how I felt at first )

My main sticking point is probably level flying or anything to do with passenger planes really

As a Warbird pilot I couldn't really give you any tips on landing, except to keep working at it.
Landing "heavies" would be ridiculously difficult for me as Spitfires and Corsairs are a little more tolerant when it comes to speed.

Just follow the tips from the guys above and practice, I'm sure once you've mastered landings you'll have a totally different perspective on them, they'll probably become second nature.

Hope you continue trying and eventually nail the landings.

Best of luck,

Carl

[willg]

well, im gonna have another go at it, i was just pretty wound up when i wrote my last post.

its not so much the basic landing technique, but more the navigation before it and the descent rate.

ill just keep trying and see how it goes  ;)

[MadDriver]

One thing you might want to try to help line yourself up, is have the center line go through your right leg while on approach.  

[willg]

pah...

a few mins ago i made a post full of screenies which took me an hour or so to do..

now its totally dissapeared off the face of the earth  ???  :-[

basically i did a pretty good landing, used trim a lot, got a decent rate of descent and airspeed, and was bang on the centre line, very happy indeed  :)

i'll try to post some more screenies.

[Fly2e]

I'll try to post some more screenies.

Willg, make sure they are within forum guidelines and if you are posting a series of shots, they really should be in the Screenshot Forum!


Thanks,
Dave

[Nav]

Great news anyway willg.

[beaky]

Regardless of ILS or any other navaids, if you're flying any portion of your approach by hand you must be able to make that plane do what you want in slow flight.
 I can only second the previous opinions regarding that. Making descents at altitude at MCA (minimum controllable airspeed, with gear and flaps down) is the right way to learn how to land. Practice between, say 4000 and 3000 feet, pretending 3000 feet is your runway elevation.
  And with small planes, power is best used for descent rate and pitch for airspeed; with jets it's often the other way around.

[MattNW]

Here's something else you can try. Just don't want to learn to depend on it.

Start the sim and while in the cockpit hit "ALT" then click on "Aircraft/Visual Flight Path" on the menu bar. Check the box "Enable Visual Flight Path", Linked Radio = Nav1, Number of guides = Medium, Distance between guides = Medium and in the box at the bottom set them to show at 3,000 msl.

This will make it much easier to visualize the glide slope. Now when you fly an approach you tune your Nav1 radio to the ILS and big red boxes will appear showing you the glide slope. Just fly through these boxes. If you start to drop toward the bottom of them add a little power and if you tend toward the top cut a little throttle.

[Marlin]

Wow man, you just can't give up that easy.

You ought have seen my first landings, broken gear, body parts and smoke. Way to cool, back to the lessons and watch Rod that ass do it. OK try it again.

ILS???? ohhhhhh that really helps out a bunch.

But I'm still falling short of the runway. Humm read some more and adjust what I do. Like this for example, try to keep the N1 around 50 %. Maybe that will help me out, instead of 100% at about 200 feet off the ground. That leads to a bouncing situation and hard to stop by the end of the runway.

I'm getting better all the time, but after approaching 200 hours of flight time, I thought that I would be better than I am.

[Saratoga]

Ok, some more advice.

Definetly save a flight about ten-fifteen miles out and at 2000 feet above the runway elevation. Use it to test out whatever. Save it with all the right frequencies tuned and everything, makes life simpler.

It's just a matter of mastering the fact you are in control of something that weighs several hundred thousand pouds going 150 miles an hour, and is very slow to respond. It's soooo much easier in reality. Pick a spot on the runway and look directly at it. Look at nothing else for the entire approach (ya ya I know you have to look at your airspeed indicator occasionally, but you can live without the rest). Set your flaps and gear as necessary and keep that target landing speed. Stare at that spot. Watch it's relation to the panel top. If the panel top drifts up, you may need to push the nose over a bit, the idea being to keep that spot perfectly stationary. At about 200 feet, give up on this idea (or crash...) and go to a standard visualized approach. If you have an aircraft where the altitude bug is independent of the setting (strange I know), set the bug on the altimeter to the airport's elevation. Just look out the window now, go to idle power, and slowly and CAREFULLY ease back on the stick. The runway will pass under you. Hold hold hold, SCREECH. Wheels hit the ground, slowly lower the nosewheel then do whatever to stop the aircraft.

That's as simple as I can put it from a sim perspective.

[commoner]

...Saratogas suggestion to save a flight from a certain position is a good one I think especially if you have most of your other proceedures cracked......there is one already in FS9 which I used for a while 'till I got the hang of .......it's in the "select a flight "  short flights kiosk  list and is called "on approach" with a 737-400 approaching O'Hare with landing clearance.......commoner

[willg]

thanks a lot for all your help, it seems im mastering it slowly. i also found out that i was accidentally moving the rudder on my joystick when i was landing, which was sending me off course a bit. ive also set all other sensitivities to extremely low, as a real plane would be far more sluggish that they are in fs.

as for the hoops, i cant see anything even when their enabled, ill go try it out now.

anyway thanks again everyone.

[z1010]

I once heard that landing is nothing less than a "controled crash".

You have the crash part already; it toke me a few years to control it.

Landing is the most beautifull part of flying - and the most difficult. I have to be very concentrated when I land.

95 % of my landings succeed ! (After 5 years of flying. So, don't give up. Even I learned it; still practising for the other 5%)

[willg]

okay ive fixed the landing hoops problem, i just had the radios on the wrong frequency (oops )

ive done about 10 or so perfect landings with the hoops, the only problem is they dont really seem to give me enough height to flare, they just guide me directly onto the runway, but ive sorted that out by flying through/just above, the top of the hoops.

ive done some flight vids of my landings so i can later watch them with the hoops turned off, and therefore learn how to landings without hoops.

[Rocket_Bird]

Good job.  The flare itself is really a touchy feely thing, and the hoops dont always help.  The idea is to get as soft as landing as you can, and the way you do that is to look ahead and feel yourself go down... gently sir!