Trim Problems

[IcedFoxtrotter]

I started using the trim with my keyboard (don't ask me why), but quickly changed to the trim on my MS Sidwinder P2, because it is a thousand times more effective than the board.

[nicecloud]

Hello, Paddlefoot,
We still do not know if you are trimmed ok now...
As you can see, a lot of help from your interesting post, even professional. But you have an unanswered question.
I made some tests, and checked my trims.  
The answer to your question relating on keyboard trimming is to adjust the delay repeat slider to the left in the keyboard settings.
Go to Start/Settings/Keyboard/Speed/...and adjust to your liking.
To my amazement, many people do not bother to make this adjustment, but I find it essential. Most of the real aircrafts do not have the trims on the stick, so it makes sense to use the keys on the keyboard for this function, like you do.
Please try it and let us know.
I use a microsoft sidewinder precision 2 and have the repeat slider in settings/ assignemnts set at 50% for elevator up and down trim.
Another good training tip is to watch the plane from outside view, like radio controlled. You have to display the numbers by pressing shift/z, and enjoy something we cannot do in the real world.
I am now going to check the tutorials in FS9. They were quite good in FS2002.
Have a good trim    Beaunuage/Nicecloud

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[paddlefoot64]

Thanks, Nicecloud, I will try the keyboard settings. I have reinstalled FS9 to see if changes I made previously have caused this problem. I don't believe it has always acted this way. When I first loaded it, several planes could be flown at cruise with just altering trim, and could be left flying by themselves for 15 minutes or so and did not gain/lose much altitude. What really perplexes me is the fact that trim has to be altered on the runway before some planes will even take off. Before takeoff it's hard to determine the trim adjustment except for the Cub which tells you a number for trim settings.
Thanks,
Mike

[nicecloud]

Ok, I think I'll also have to reinstall fs9. My FS9 is out of trim. There is a strange bug it seems...
Did you fly the lessons? they are

[paddlefoot64]

Yes, I have taken some lessons in FS9. I failed my solo because I spent the whole time fighting with the trim. Couldn't maintain 1500 ft. altitude because she kept climbing. I will have to re-try it now. My yoke does a little bit better job in trimming, but sometimes you run out of nose up trim and have to use keyboard to adjust.

[nicecloud]

Hello paddlefoot,

You should normally be able to fly hands off or with only some slight input. By that I mean pressure, not even a milimeter? just a slight gentle pressure will do.
Another tip : I have my hand resting on the base of the stick or table. This gives me precision control. My forearm doesn't move, only my fingers holding the stick and it's only a push or holding pressure. The other hand is on the throttle in the same manner, always anticipating what I expect the plane will do. If I feel I have to pressure down or up. I trim or adjust throttle.
Keep trying, it makes me nervous. Wish I could show you.
Is it possible you send me your config file. I could check it out if you are ok. I'm just thinking about this. Remember to read the good advices given by other members on trimming.
One more thing :
Look at your vertical speed indicator and try to adjust your flight. Pwer/elevator so that the needle indicates O.
The first thing an aerobatic pilot will do is check for straight level flight, straight inverted flight, straight vertical flight before attempting any maneuver.
Get a friend who is a pilot if you have, or go and hire a cessna for one hour with an instructor. It will be unvaluable, much more than spend money on too many sceneries going obsolete anyway soon...

Nicecloud

[garymbuska]

 another suggestion is that a lot of aircraft have specs as to what cruise speed is and once airborne and at desired altitude reduce air speed and then trim out.
This is what you do in the real world. Or you set auto throttle to hold a speed . If you are using real world weather you might want to try pressing ctrl z twice to check the wind speed and direction as this can cause a plane to bounce alot when the wind changes from a head wind to a tail wind or a strong cross wind.

[paddlefoot64]

Re-install did not help. Any plane still requires trim nose up
considerably to even take off. When you start up FS9 or switch planes, shouldn't trim be set to sort of a neutral position? There seems to be very little null between nose up and nose down. Maybe the Wingman Attack 2 has a problem? The CH
yoke seems to do better.
Thanks for all the advice guys,
Mike

[nicecloud]

Hello Paddlefoot,

You mentioned previously the cub, so let's fly the cub. Interestingly the airfile of the cub is a good one. I think it was made by somebody famous for airfiles. I forgot the name, but surely, that is why it flies so well.
For simplicity, I use autorudder. so we can concentrate on this trim issue.
Let's go to MKJS/Montego Bay/ Jamaica/ Runway 07
Press shift/enter once for better visibility.
Save the flight : Paddlefoot/no trim problems.
Release brakes/ slowly advance throttle while holding slight pressure back on the stick, there we go. I hold slight pressure back and very slowly release the pressure on the stick while climbing away to increase speed to 80. By that time the plane will climb on its own and you will have felt that you could release the pressure on the stick.
Above the golf course, I turn left to the boat on the horizon. Let's go there.
At 1000 feet, Push to level and experiment with throttle and speed, keeping the same altitude. I have to trim up to keep 70 with reduced throttle. We can slow and descend to say hello to the waving prople on the boat, regain altitude and back to Sangster.
This flight is good because I have an horizon in front of me for reference in the turns. It's simple. This is my default flight for testing any small plane. Later I suggest downloading