Want to add a Boeing 707 and 727 to FS2004

[boeing707forever]

Hiya. I am looking to add a Boeing 707 and 727to my FS 2004. Is there any out there? I looked on here but found just texture files and not the whole kit and kaboodle. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[Papa9571]

Actually there are several.

You can find a 707  and a 727 at but both have the default panels.
http://www.simviation.com/fs2004jets8.htm

You will have to get the panel for the 707 at
http://www.simviation.com/fs2004panels6.htm

and the panel for the 727 at
http://www.simviation.com/fs2004panels5.htm

The 727 weights are way off but the aircraft flies quite nicely.

You will have to get used to the way they used autopilot, autothrottle, and nav systems but other than that everything is straight forward.

[boeing707forever]

Thanks. I got the files downloaded so i will give it a whirl. The 727 nel desc. said it was designed for 1280x res. and needed the FS 2002 Concorde panel. Do I need to download that panel and will the panel still work at 800x600

[Papa9571]

It's not the panel you need it's the altimiter.

The concorde altimiter also displays your airspeed and how far away you are from your destination. You should have had a link to download that gauge when you got the 727 panel.

If you are interested in more 707's along with DC-8's, Convair 880's and 990's go to

http://81.208.92.5/hjg/index.htm

This site is dedicated to Historic Jetliners for FS2002 and FS2004 in almost any Livery you could want. The same stipulation applies with the panels as before.

Enjoy

[microlight]

Look for George Carty's BA 707s - they have a dedicated multi-panel provided, which has a working INS included.

[Gary R.]

George Carty has with no competition the best freeware 707 panel.  It's here, in FS-2004 panels and civil jets also i believe.  It includes a BA 707-420 which was a 707 version custom built for BA by boeing.  Now, if you want the more common 320 varient model, go to www.simufly.com/hjg.  The George Cartypanel will work with the 320 but first you have to edit the fuel tank entries in the 320 aircraft.cfg.  You can by the entries in Mr. Carty's 420 model's aircraft.cfg to do that.  As for the 727, Look for Richard Probst's 727 panel. b727.050627.panel.fs2004.zip  It comes with a 727-200 model in several liveries.  It is an excellent panel which focuses on the captain's aspect of a simulation, which is OK, you don't really have time to be a flight engineer to.  Complete, functional overhead, complete panel and center area, and the fuel system and battery part of the FE area.  What more do you need?? lol.  It will work with any 727 but once again, you may have to amend the aircraft cfg's.  Look at the included one for a reference, the admendments are typically in the flap operation and radio tuning areas.  Good luck, and have fun flights.  I have both these modified with CIVA INS also from simufly and they are favorites in my hanger.  Happy landings.

[boeing707forever]

I will keep you all posted on how I make out installing these aircraft. I am new to simming and am still taking the lessons. I just started my Private Pilot Lessons so Jets are a bit down the road.

Gary, what are the values I need to change on for the 707 and 727 and how do I go about it?

Thanks all I really appreciate it. I hope soon I'll be able to pilot the big ones.

[Gary R.]

Well, when you find and install those two panels I mentioned they will have the aircraft models packaged with them which are configured to work right with the panel.  The 707-420 has one model, one livery, BOAC.  The 727-200 included with the Richard Probst panel has several liveries included.  Now,  It is like you may desire different liveries with either.  They could be found in different aircraft models by different authors.  The changes you will have to make will be to the aircraft.cfg located in the associtated aircraft's folder.  With any other models than the ones supplied the most common change you could have to make would be to the radio tuning frequencies section and the flaps position section.  The reason?  Many freeware models will com configured to work with "borrowed" panels from the default FS9 hanger.
The 707 is easy, typically they are configured to work with the default 747 panel, 4 engines you understand.  A good many of the 727 models I've downloaded were configed to work with the 737 panel.  now, the characteristics of the default planes are not always really acurate to the real counterparts.  They are simplified and dummed down so to speak to make them simple and easy to pilot without reading an extensive manual.  Now, I can't stab am accurate guess at everything you'd have to edit to make the panels function right with models other than the supplied ones.  It depends on which model you are using with the panel in question.  In the case of the 727, the flap postions and radion tuning frequencies are the most common edits for the Richard Probst panel.  Mr. Probst includes a rather extensive appendix to his panels manuel on how to do this.  In the case of the George Carty 707, the most like change you will have to make will be to the fuel system entries.  In fact, I guarentee it for the 707-420 included ios the only 420 made for FS.  All of the other 707 models are based on the more common 320 model which had a different fuel tanks layout and if you don't edit Mr. Carty's panel when using it in a 320 model engines 2 and 3 will not run.  In any case, whatever mode you use with either panel, first thing to do is open the aircraft cfg that came with the panel and the aircraft.cfg that came with the model you downloaded and window them both side by side and scan down to see where any of the like entries are different and edit the new aircraft.cfg accordingly.  If you run into trouble just holler and you can email them to me and I will adjust them for you.  

[boeing707forever]

Thanks. I'll keep you in mind when I install them. I am unfortunately having Hard drive issues and will be working on fixing that in the coming days.

[Gary R.]

Anything to help.  I have both of these great panels and have them installed in aircraft from a variety of authors.  I have already made many of those cfg changes to make the panels work right.   Also, since you seem to be interested in old iron if yo9u appreciate great realism and accuracy i highly recommend Dave Maltby's 4 pack of classic British airliners.  He just overhauled 2 of them to now have VC's and nearly complete systems functioning.  My favorite is the BAC 1-11 mostly because the 200 model was used here in the states prior to the DC-9 becoming widely available. He also has a great model of the very first commercial jet liner, the Comet.  Since COF's central theme is flight history I didn't think it would be complete without this historic airliner.  It's fast and a great flyer to.

[boeing707forever]

I will definitely look those aircraft up.

Just for giggles tonight I called up the 3 Boeing jets that are included with FS2004. I found them very hard to find the trims and controls. Plus there was no way to tell where the throttle was set except on the 737 which had a gauge to show the output. I had no problem getting them off the ground but I couldn't for the life of me trim them to fly level. I guess I definitely need to finish those flying lessons.lol

[Gary R.]

I don't know what kind of control peripherals you use, befinatly do not attempt to fly using the keyboard.  Not only does it bite, it also is very un-realistic.  I recommend at least a good joy stick and if you are going with a joystick try for a stick and throttle combo.  A saitek X-45, 52 or a thrustmaster afterburner or thrustmaster cougar, which is very expensive.  It would be good to assign you elevator triming to buttons or even better to a controller axis.  I have several joysticks and I use the throttle axis on one of them for my elevator trim.  The best and most reaslistic control for most general aircraft would be a flight yoke.  CH makes the best one for the price.  About $129 USD.  Of course it's good to have the CH rudder pedals to and they cost the same as the yoke.  But, use whatever stick you can find but by all means, get the best you can afford.  The saitek x-45 is a great stick.  It isn't as versatile as it's successor the X-52 but it is good just the same and about $79 USD at most retailers.  As for your throttles, you might want to do a little searching around for some POH's pertaining to the planes you wish to fly. You learn to correlate what ITT and N1 gauges are telling you about your throttle position and many POH's have recommended readings for those gauges during each give flight regime.  Also, you need only about half up from neutral elevator trim to establish climb.  Never make wide rapis adjustments on your elevator trim.  A little at a time and relax on the stick to see how the plane responds before commanding more or less.  A lot of elevator trimming also has to do with you current engine output.  Trim lower for level and higher thrust .  POH's often have guidlines for trimming as well.  You will learn to feel for it in time.  When I first started in FS-2000 I had a hard time myself with elevator trim.  Keep at it but ask questions and yes, take those lessons, I haven't since FS-2000.

[boeing707forever]

I have an old style Ch Virtual Pilot Pro Yoke and Pedals. The pedals are disabled right now as they weren't working correctly. I have the auto rudder feature checked so it does it for me. I am gonna save my pennies and get a new yoke first then the pedals.

Yeah I have no idea why the jets wouldn't trim I must have had something a miss. Is ok. I am still learning and by gum I'll git it.

Thanks all for the support and help. I'll keep you posted.

[Papa9571]

Did you calibrate your joystick before you started flying?

[boeing707forever]

Yes papa the yoke was trimmed correctly. I have no problem on the small aircraft it was just the jets. I am sure it was something I forgot to do. Like I said I am still taking the lessons.