2009 707 Gauge Error in FSX

[ND6849C]

"pg" stands for "Paul Golding" ...those gauges were developed for a
prior FS B707 and most likely will not work in FSX, as I recall.

It seems that others have sucessfuly downloaded and installed
the B707 version you are having problems with.

Perhaps it is best to delete it and start the installtion process
over again. Be SURE to place ALL gauges for that installation
in the aircrafts PANEL folder. That way there is no chance that
another version in your main GAUGES folder will cause problems,
unless of course the panel.cfg file is in error.

Paul,

I think I'll retry that install and let you know...but those older gauges by Paul Golding are most likely the culprit.

[ND6849C]

Excuse me butting in here.

PS. I carefully checked the FSX Panel.cfg & a lot of the 3rd party gauges are still missing. These appear to be FS98-style gauges used on the original FS2002 panel by Helio Estrela. The incompatible gauges simply haven't been included in the two gauge updates.

Hagar,
I'd never mind anyone joining in.

[Hagar]

Excuse me butting in here.

PS. I carefully checked the FSX Panel.cfg & a lot of the 3rd party gauges are still missing. These appear to be FS98-style gauges used on the original FS2002 panel by Helio Estrela. The incompatible gauges simply haven't been included in the two gauge updates.

Hagar,
I'd never mind anyone joining in.

[ShaneG_old]

This is one of the most confusing installations I have ever seen!

I installed it, following all instructions. I put NO gauges in the main gauge folder, as it never says to do this, instead, I put them ALL in the panel folder along with the FSX version of the Panel.cfg.

I got a call out for each of the FS9 gauges that are required, asking if it was OK to run as trusted software, and all were accepted without the dreaded FS98 error.

I did not have the .dll module that Hagar mentioned installed at the time these shots were taken, but I have now copied it into my FSX root folder and will be testing again after I post this to test and see if that makes a difference.

And this is what I got, is this what you see?

Each set of shots starts with the first view and then progresses through each Shift+# combo up through 8

VC
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC9.jpg



2D panel
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d9.jpg

[ShaneG_old]

Update:  Adding the .dll made no difference to the appearance of any of the gauges or popup windows.

Installing it into FS9 now to test it there.

[Hagar]

This is one of the most confusing installations I have ever seen!

I installed it, following all instructions. I put NO gauges in the main gauge folder, as it never says to do this, instead, I put them ALL in the panel folder along with the FSX version of the Panel.cfg.

I got a call out for each of the FS9 gauges that are required, asking if it was OK to run as trusted software, and all were accepted without the dreaded FS98 error.

I don't think it matters where you put those gauges. They should work from either location. The reason you didn't get the error is that the FS98 gauges aren't included.

I did not have the .dll module that Hagar mentioned installed at the time these shots were taken, but I have now copied it into my FSX root folder and will be testing again after I post this to test and see if that makes a difference.

I could be wrong about that module. Nobody seems to be able to confirm that the problem was fixed in one of the FSX updates. It could be in one of the Windows system folders.

And this is what I got, is this what you see?

Each set of shots starts with the first view and then progresses through each Shift+# combo up through 8

VC
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC9.jpg



2D panel
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d9.jpg

These are very similar to the results I'm getting in the FSX Demo. I'm wondering if part of the problem is that ND6849C is running FSX Standard Edition.

[ShaneG_old]

The version could be the difference. I'm running FSX deluxe with Acceleration installed.

I got the exact same results in my FS9 also. :-/


If I may, unless there is a specific reason you are really attracted to this particular model of 707,

[ShaneG_old]

I had a look inside all of the cab files that came with this package and there are no gauges included with the pg.707 prefix in their name, so I went on a hunt for the original version of this plane and discovered that it never came with the gauges included, instead it used a third party panel which included these gauges and was made for FS2002.

I found this panel (file name: he707v1.zip and the fix: panel_109110.zip) and inside were all of the pg.707 gauges.

These gauges are listed in the panel.cfg for the FSX version, but are not included with the download, so I am copying them into the panel folder and will test and report back what happens.

pg.707.cd.apdis.gau
pg.707.compass.gau
pg.707.hghb.alt.gau
pg.707.level.gau
pg.707.rp.ap2.gau

[Hagar]

I found this panel (file name: he707v1.zip and the fix: panel_109110.zip) and inside were all of the pg.707 gauges.

These gauges are listed in the panel.cfg for the FSX version, but are not included with the download, so I am copying them into the panel folder and will test and report back what happens.

pg.707.cd.apdis.gau
pg.707.compass.gau
pg.707.hghb.alt.gau
pg.707.level.gau
pg.707.rp.ap2.gau

I can save you the trouble. These are the incompatible FS98 gauges.

[ShaneG_old]

Yep, just found out the hard way.

I'm going to see now if I can find some FSX stock or compatible gauges that will work as decent substitutes.

[ShaneG_old]

Now I need some help!

I've got one taken care of, but not really sure what some of these gauges are, I think I know a couple, but older jets aren't my first skill set.

Here are the error messages that popped up for me and where I'm at with them:

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error1.jpg
(I believe this is autopilot master light)


http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error2.jpg
(Not sure what this one is)


http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error3.jpg
(Not sure what this one is)


http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error4.jpg
(This is the one I fixed by using the default Extra 300 XML compass)


http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error5.jpg
(Not sure what this one is)


If you know what these are,  it would help in tracking down a similar gauge in FSX.

[Hagar]

I think the easiest method would be to install the panel to FS9. The FS98 gauges should work & you can see what they look like. Alternatively, if you have FS Panel Studio or CfgEdit open the panel in that.

[ShaneG_old]

Last update:  More things work in the FSX version than did the FS9 version.

Most of the popup panels are the same in both versions. The compass worked in FS9, but none of the other popup panels appear to do anything other than serve as eye-candy.
The one notable exception being a strange panel that has a switch for the pause and slew commands. :-?

As you can see in this pic of the VC, the main differance in appearance was the three missing gauges on the left side of the panel and the area where the autopilot is on the FSX version.

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/fs9707vc.jpg

[Hagar]

Unless you have a different version of the FSX panel than me I reckon there's a lot more missing gauges than you think. To do this properly will involve a lot of work. I found a couple of the gauges in your error messages if this is any help.

[ShaneG_old]

That does help!  :)

And is that utility freeware? It looks EXTREMELY handy to have for situations like this one.