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Beginner needs help!

Postby sailochi » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:37 pm

Hi guys, this is my first post here and I desperately need some help, any advise would be very much appreciated.

I created the British army no.1 from scratch and near the stage of finishing it, however I came across a huge problem.

I found it impossible to keep a level flight, it is doing phugoid all the time. The canard has very little effect (which could be realistic) and more importantly it react inversely to the control, i.e. stick forward gives little bit of lift.

I am a beginner in modeling aircraft and the software I used are FSEdit and notepad. Please take a few minutes to fly my aircraft and give me some advise.
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Wing Nut » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:14 pm

So your No. 1 is taking a No.2?   ;D

Sorry I don't have an answer, but that was just too good to resist...  :)
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Alejandro Rhodes » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:56 am

:-? Its this some kind of Joke >?

First ITS impossible you can assemble even the most simple object (A box) with FSedit and Notepad, you need FS9-SDK or fSX-SDK utilities and most important Gmax , 3d max , FSDS to works and export and compile into a mdl with IT

second YES the plane has a huge problem ,IT needs to be "RESET X Form" the surface illuminated are backwards

Third isn't this the Wright Brothers Airplane?

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There is a complete model with VC and a hole Master Piece included in FS2004 which also works in FSX here it is ,I thought was the same model but is not..Sorry but is so similar

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and its diffucult to fly as the real life First plane made,Like your model

You can use the air and aircraft files from this model But You have a worth proble which I describe above [smiley=smiley_up.gif]
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby sailochi » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:22 am

To clarify things, I created the visual model using Gmax myself. It is not the Wright Flyer and its based on....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7675179.stm
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I want to model the flight dynamics now and thats where my problem occurs. So its not a really good idea to just use the cfg of the Wright Flyer...

And what do you mean by "RESET X Form" the surface illuminated are backwards ??

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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Alejandro Rhodes » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:36 am

Ok, Look at the photos above , again ..
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Hagar » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:42 am

Alex. I think you misunderstood the question. sailochi is trying to adjust the Flight Dynamics. The elevator control (canard) is working in the reverse direction. When you push the stick forward the aircraft goes up instead of down.

PS. This is an FS9 model.
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby sailochi » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:02 am

[quote]Ok, Look at the photos above , again ..
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Alejandro Rhodes » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:23 am

I know this is a FS9 Model ,I download it, I know he's asking about flight dynamics question Which Obviously Is not my area I mean this type of plane

I Hope Some one Sit down a while and download the plane and fix the dynamics for him.

I just saw something from my point of view much worth , and IHO that Is something very Easy to FIX it, This is when I saw a problem of DESIGN and Not Dynamics that Few people know how to fix it and perhaps He as a beginner wasn't aware of this , So This isn't about a point ,This is something about a wrong protection of an Aircraft in the Game whether FSX or FS9 ..

I guess I just stick my nose where no buddy ask me to..
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Hagar » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:28 am

Please don't get the huff Alex. No offence intended. I'm only trying to help. :-*
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Alejandro Rhodes » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:31 am

Please don't get the huff Alex. No offence intended. I'm only trying to help. :-*



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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Hagar » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:35 am

Please don't get the huff Alex. No offence intended. I'm only trying to help. :-*



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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Travis » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:52 pm

Well, I guess since I'm gonna start working on another similar problem, I could take this one on, too.  Shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

A few questions:

What files did you start with for the CFG and AIR?

What exactly is "phugoid"? :-?  Sounds like an alien sneeze . . .
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby sailochi » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:52 pm

[quote]Well, I guess since I'm gonna start working on another similar problem, I could take this one on, too.
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Alejandro Rhodes » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:49 pm

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What exactly is "phugoid"? :-?
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Re: Beginner needs help!

Postby Travis » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:49 pm

Oh, I see.  The conventional term for phugoid is porpoising.  Anyway, I'll take a look and see what I can do.

There are several programs out there for messing with the airfile, such as AirEd and AirWrench.  AW is payware, though.  AirEd is probably what you would want to start out with.  Do a google search for it, or search here at SimV.
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