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Pump up the RAM...

Postby Crussell » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:58 pm

Pump it up

Sooooo, finally got my job at Maplins Electronics and can afford to upgrade my computer (finally) and can also use staff discount.

So, my 2GB of RAM is really not holding up well with Arma II and running FSX has just gone over the hill and far away, so I was seeing if you guys could recommend me which of my choices is best.

I have 2 slots available for RAM and I'm on DDR2 800MHz PC2-6400.

[url=http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-026-KS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813]Overclockers UK: Kingston HyperX 4GB (2x2GB) -
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Fozzer » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:07 pm

Congrats on getting the job at Maplins, Tom... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]...!

Our first choice for all our Electronic bits and pieces!

You will now be asked lots of hi-tech questions from your customers.....for which you need to know all the answers!... ;D...!

Paul....(We have a Branch of Maplins in Hereford).... :-*....!
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Crussell » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:32 pm

Thanks, Fozzer!
Been there for 2 weeks and not a single computer part related question has come my way.
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Slotback » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:11 pm

Always get dual channel RAM which means always run a pairs of memory sticks together. I would get the Kingston HyperX and run both sticks in the computer.

dual channel = faster
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Crussell » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:17 am

Thanks, NNNG, yeah I'll get those ones and just use the two sticks instead of using my original 2 x 1GBs and wasting a slot.

Shame these have jumped in price, they used to be about
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Crussell » Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:11 pm

Might as well continue this thread for the Graphics Card question, so...

Looking at Overclockers, Nvidia cards are running out and there seems to be no cheap alternatives that are substantially better than my 9600GT, however there are loads of ATI cards.

So I understand switching from Nvidia to ATI requires formating HDD and configuring drivers etc, is it worth it or should I wait a little longer until OcUK get some more stock in or the newer cards become outdated?  ::) ;D

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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Slotback » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:19 am

Looking at Overclockers, Nvidia cards are running out and there seems to be no cheap alternatives that are substantially better than my 9600GT, however there are loads of ATI cards.


I haven't tested this but my understanding is generally Nvidia outperforms ATi in FSX. However that didn't stop me from purchasing a Radeon 5770 1gb because it runs other applications extremely well (Dirt 2 maxed out 1920*1080, Bad Company 2 maxed out 1920*1080). However the transition from 8800GT 512mb (slightly faster than 9600GT) to 5770 in FSX was not huge. Since my processor is well over twice as fast as yours, I seriously doubt going from 9600GT to 5770 (or 4870) will make much of a difference on your system because FSX is CPU limited.

Pretty much the only graphics cards that I look into are those which are upper midrange and higher so the only cards I can really recommend are the Radeon 4870 which is often really cheap at the moment (uses lots of power, check if your power supply can run it), the Radeon 5770 (as fast as 4870 but uses much less power, is direct x 11, but more expensive), GTS 250 (slower than 4870, but cheaper), Radeib 5750 (same as GTS 250) and GTX 260 (same speed as 4870 / 5770). All should be huge steps up from the 9600GT in most applications but again, I doubt it would make a huge difference in FSX. In my opinion get GTX 260 as it's Nvidia followed by 5770 / 4870 then GTS 250 / 5750, but of course that all depends on availability and price. Radeon 5850 is great but I think that's overkill for your processor.

IMO the biggest upgrade you can make for fsx is a significantly faster processor, then think about getting a new Nvidia card when those come out (the GTX 460 and its variants), which are anticipated to be the next 8800GT (really good card in its heyday). If you want to upgrade for other games then a new videocard is a good idea, like the ones I mentioned above, but in many applications going to need a faster processor to take full advantage of it. Bad Company 2, for example, LOVES quad cores. If your motherboard is AM2+ then you can probably take advantage of a cheap quad core, or a fast dual.

Also DDR2 is expensive because it's being phased out. Sometimes old technologies up in price.... I wanted more RAM a while ago so I just bought it second hand for less than half price.... 2 gigabytes of high-end DDR2-800 for 28 pounds which I just added to what was then my current RAM so now I have total of 4gb... :)

basically: new processor mainly for fsx, new videocard mainly for everything else.

[quote]So I understand switching from Nvidia to ATI requires formating HDD and configuring drivers etc, is it worth it or should I wait a little longer until OcUK get some more stock in or the newer cards become outdated?
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Crussell » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:08 pm

Lets just say trying to run FSX has come to and end for me so I'm not too worried about that, it's mainly games like ArmaII and Left 4 Dead 2 etc that I'm looking to see an upgrade in.

In a perfect situation I would love to replace almost everything about my system, even the motherboard so I could use DDR3, can't believe they are phasing out DDR2.
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Slotback » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:52 pm

A new system would be nice. Or you could try a new videocard and then decide?
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Crussell » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:27 pm

Problem is I would have to sell this off to someone if I wanted to fund a new system, buying a new graphics card and RAM then not seeing sufficient improvements is harmful to my monies
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Slotback » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:16 am

I went from 2gb to 4gb and honestly I didn't notice much of a difference.

replacing processor isn't risky, it's pretty easy. Just make you research on how to do it, on another forum someone killed their processor because they inserted it incorrectly. And by incorrectly I mean jamming it in sideways which bent all the contacts.




Strange power supply. How many 6 pin PCI-E connectors does it have?

try asking alienware?

http://www.techaddicts.net/reviews/tpow ... _2pcie.jpg
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Crussell » Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:57 pm

Hmmmkay so I'm back!

I decided against getting 2 x 4GB as it was slightly costly and decided to go for 2 x 1GB and shopping on eBay (Definite mistake)

Found some Crucial Ballistix (http://bit.ly/9mrST) for
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Slotback » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:37 am

tell the seller it was DOA and request your money back.
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby ppgstf » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:37 am

You did check that the new memory was compatible with your motherboard?  I know this sounds a bit silly but you would be surprised how many people just buy new RAM and don't check it works with their motherboard.

On the Crucial website there is a function available to do this.

Good luck in sorting everything out.
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Re: Pump up the RAM...

Postby Crussell » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:33 pm

Yeah, I checked before buying by using that Crucial Scanner and I liked the yellow look of the Ballistix.  :P

I've contacted Crucial and apparently, by a stroke of good luck, these modules have lifetime warranty no matter how they are bought so hopefully I can get a repair or replacement.  :o :)

Will be more cautious in the future, luckily the seller was really helpful and gave me several tips to try and get it to work. We tried swapping slots over and over, motherboard BIOS updates and even blowing on them, but to no avail.

Thanks for the help everyone, hope this ends up with a replacement or partial refund.  8-)
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