After a good board!!!

[Bara]

Hi there

Just want some advise on a good board I can buy (prefrably asus)  for a dual core e8500
obviously it will be used for fsx!!

Also what brand video card should I go with?? (I'm looking at getting 9800 gtx/gt??

And suggestion would be good

thanks in advance

[757200ba]

Get info on this one!!!!

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/AS ... oduct.html

[Mazza]

That Board is very nice, I would go for Nvidea in you want it for FSX (As ATi cards don't like the triangle rendering system thingo that FSX uses  ) I would get a GTX 260 or 280 

[Speed of flight]

Get info on this one!!!!

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/AS ... oduct.html

That looks like a great board, but what the...?
It uses ddr2 AND ddr3? Are there 2 different versions, or do you really plug both kinds into it (the 6 slots look like they aren't all for ddr3...)

However, looks like a powerful setup. ALso, check out this one:
http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=W ... templete=2
Comes with so many options, and it's not too expensive. So many features...
Shiny 8-)

[olderndirt]

An ASUS P5QL with an EVGA 8800gts runs FSX just fine for me  .

[LeeC]

I would go for Nvidea in you want it for FSX (As ATi cards don't like the triangle rendering system thingo that FSX uses

Please explain, my ATi 5850 seems quite happy with FSX, as you can see from these pics...



and this one...



and this...

[Speed of flight]

I would go for Nvidea in you want it for FSX (As ATi cards don't like the triangle rendering system thingo that FSX uses

Please explain, my ATi 5850 seems quite happy with FSX, as you can see from these pics...

That's the same thing I been tellin folks! Holy Chicka-moley! I love thee garbage out of my ATi card, and the stuff that all those "typical" NVidia fanboys ALWAYS say, is that ATi sux, can't use 'em for FSX, FSX blew up an ATi card, textures look bad, FSX called ATi's momma dirty-names, NVidia is better, blah blah etc.

***I even had one guy tell me that ATi can't make clouds in FSX. That clouds can't be seen by a guy using ATi. Well, that (I said to myself) is just *deeerr uuuhh* dumb.*** (not to pick on the guy, he obviously listened to some wierdo NVidia fanboy "know-it-all" tell him that it's true)

Worry not, my friend. They obviously just don't know. The raw data that FSX has programmed in it can only be rendered to look a certain way, right? I'm pretty sure that textures in FSX don't know if they're being rendered by NVidia or ATi. Data->Pictures. To say so is just silly, like John Cleese in "Monty Python's The Quest for the Holy Grail". None of them textures look ANY different on NVidia or ATi (barring any other effects, such as REX or others) and it's funny to hear some folks really talk about quality involving cards.

Personally, I don't get it! They are SO comparable, that there isn't really any room for comparison. This one does this like that, and that one does that like this. 6 of one, or a half-dozen of the other. FPS is very similar, textures look the same, it's all up to the users preferences, really.

And that "triangle thingo" that was previously mentioned isn't really an ATi or NVidia thingo, but a CPU thingo. DX11 is supposed to make that triangle-thingo a video card thingo also. Can't wait for that. Especially if there is a new flight sim made using DX11, wow that would be hot and sexy!

Da end.

[LeeC]

Actually, it's not the textures that would need to care, it's the geometry. I'm pretty certain the triangle thing was a reference to tri-strips, which is a more efficient geometry storing technique (1 vertex per poly instead of 3, after the initial poly has been defined), but can be a headache if the video card can't handle them.

Tri-strips should be pretty much common fodder these days though, heck, I was using them about 7 years ago in the Renderware engine, so it's not like they're a new thing.

They are a GPU thing already though, and it is possible that if you go back far enough, you might find NVidia adopted them before ATi, I don't know for sure. DX11 adds tesselation and instancing, both of which are very nice features, instancing is certainly good for generic autogen type stuff.

I've just come from an 8800GTX but moved to ATi for the DX11 stuff, so I have no particular bias. (although if ATi don't stop giving me BS excuses about the problem I have with my 5850, then one might just develop  )

All I know for sure is that FSX runs fine on my ATi card... unless of course, it is the ATi card that is causing my self-shadowing problem, where I get shadows on the outside of the fuselage where the light is hitting it.  :-/

[Thai09]

Off topic, the OP asked about a good board, but whatever... lets call it a "video board"!

Be careful with ATI on Windows 7, V-Sync is not working:

http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_p ... ?TID=32829

Mobo? Get a cheap Asus P5Q - works great...

[Slotback]

Get info on this one!!!!

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/AS ... oduct.html

I don't like that board. It's expensive so unless you need the features, you're better off going with a cheaper P45 motherboard while saving $100. Remember that Socket 775 is dead.

(not to pick on the guy, he obviously listened to some wierdo NVidia fanboy "know-it-all" tell him that it's true)

Nick N?

[Fozzer]

I would go for Nvidea in you want it for FSX (As ATi cards don't like the triangle rendering system thingo that FSX uses

Please explain, my ATi 5850 seems quite happy with FSX, as you can see from these pics...

That's the same thing I been tellin folks! Holy Chicka-moley! I love thee garbage out of my ATi card, and the stuff that all those "typical" NVidia fanboys ALWAYS say, is that ATi sux, can't use 'em for FSX, FSX blew up an ATi card, textures look bad, FSX called ATi's momma dirty-names, NVidia is better, blah blah etc.

***I even had one guy tell me that ATi can't make clouds in FSX. That clouds can't be seen by a guy using ATi. Well, that (I said to myself) is just *deeerr uuuhh* dumb.*** (not to pick on the guy, he obviously listened to some wierdo NVidia fanboy "know-it-all" tell him that it's true)

Worry not, my friend. They obviously just don't know. The raw data that FSX has programmed in it can only be rendered to look a certain way, right? I'm pretty sure that textures in FSX don't know if they're being rendered by NVidia or ATi. Data->Pictures. To say so is just silly, like John Cleese in "Monty Python's The Quest for the Holy Grail". None of them textures look ANY different on NVidia or ATi (barring any other effects, such as REX or others) and it's funny to hear some folks really talk about quality involving cards.

Personally, I don't get it! They are SO comparable, that there isn't really any room for comparison. This one does this like that, and that one does that like this. 6 of one, or a half-dozen of the other. FPS is very similar, textures look the same, it's all up to the users preferences, really.

And that "triangle thingo" that was previously mentioned isn't really an ATi or NVidia thingo, but a CPU thingo. DX11 is supposed to make that triangle-thingo a video card thingo also. Can't wait for that. Especially if there is a new flight sim made using DX11, wow that would be hot and sexy!

Da end.

A typical example of the arguments and enthusiastic fist fights that would occur in a suggested; "Advanced User Section"?.... ... ... ...!

Does it remind you of the FSX and Hardware discussion Forums over the past many years?.....dangerous ground!... ... ...!

Intel v AMD...nVidia v ATI....PC v Mac...Tyres v Tires...Tomaytoes v Tomartoes...etc...etc...

Paul....."Peace".... ....!

[Thai09]

You forgot "Potatoes" vs "Potatos" - or whatabout "Poetaetoes"!
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[Fozzer]

You forgot "Potatoes" vs "Potatos" - or whatabout "Poetaetoes"!
[smiley=laugh.gif]

Tee-Hee... ;D...!

Exactly!... ;D... ;D... ;D...!

Paul...Honda Motorbikes v Yamaha Motorbikes... ;)... ;)... ;)...!

I hate arguments and rows.....over nothing important!... :o.... ;)... ;D....!

A good Board?....>>>>

...... how about this one

[Thai09]

Har-har!

Great "board"  - and a song too:

"Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport!"

[smiley=grin.gif]

[Speed of flight]

I would go for Nvidea in you want it for FSX (As ATi cards don't like the triangle rendering system thingo that FSX uses

Please explain, my ATi 5850 seems quite happy with FSX, as you can see from these pics...

That's the same thing I been tellin folks! Holy Chicka-moley! I love thee garbage out of my ATi card, and the stuff that all those "typical" NVidia fanboys ALWAYS say, is that ATi sux, can't use 'em for FSX, FSX blew up an ATi card, textures look bad, FSX called ATi's momma dirty-names, NVidia is better, blah blah etc.

***I even had one guy tell me that ATi can't make clouds in FSX. That clouds can't be seen by a guy using ATi. Well, that (I said to myself) is just *deeerr uuuhh* dumb.*** (not to pick on the guy, he obviously listened to some wierdo NVidia fanboy "know-it-all" tell him that it's true)

Worry not, my friend. They obviously just don't know. The raw data that FSX has programmed in it can only be rendered to look a certain way, right? I'm pretty sure that textures in FSX don't know if they're being rendered by NVidia or ATi. Data->Pictures. To say so is just silly, like John Cleese in "Monty Python's The Quest for the Holy Grail". None of them textures look ANY different on NVidia or ATi (barring any other effects, such as REX or others) and it's funny to hear some folks really talk about quality involving cards.

Personally, I don't get it! They are SO comparable, that there isn't really any room for comparison. This one does this like that, and that one does that like this. 6 of one, or a half-dozen of the other. FPS is very similar, textures look the same, it's all up to the users preferences, really.

And that "triangle thingo" that was previously mentioned isn't really an ATi or NVidia thingo, but a CPU thingo. DX11 is supposed to make that triangle-thingo a video card thingo also. Can't wait for that. Especially if there is a new flight sim made using DX11, wow that would be hot and sexy!

Da end.

A typical example of the arguments and enthusiastic fist fights that would occur in a suggested; "Advanced User Section"?.... ... ... ...!

Does it remind you of the FSX and Hardware discussion Forums over the past many years?.....dangerous ground!... ... ...!

Intel v AMD...nVidia v ATI....PC v Mac...Tyres v Tires...Tomaytoes v Tomartoes...etc...etc...

Paul....."Peace".... ....!

Whooooa!! I don't see an arguement here. I don't know how it sounds when others read what I post here, but I'm not trying to argue with anyone. No "heated" arguement, anyway (Arguement: a logical, point-for-point discussion, not a flamewar).

I've used ATi from the beginning! I see someone post something against them, who only "heard" of a problem with something, and quickly, it becomes a rumor fired, flamewar on one of these dang threads. That isn't my intent. All anyone can say is what they KNOW, and I wished it would stay that way. Now I'm all defensive! I hate that.

I'm a 1%-er, I guess, in the hardware wars. Still lovin my AMD and ATi card. I don't like people saying that there's all kinds of problems with stuff I've used, and especially when I know it just ain't so). "Well I've never had a problem, and here's the proof" is how I like to settle these kinds of problems. No offense intended, even in the slightest. Really!

I was going back and forth once with another guy about how he was sure that my equipment sux, and how I can't possibly be liking my FSX experience, etc, because my hardware, rumors, etc. How the benchmarks say that I can't do anything right, I've got a clubfoot, my house is the wrong color, my cat is pregnant, you get the idea. One guy said, and I quote, "ATi can't render clouds in FSX. What about those darn clouds?" That just sounds ridiculous to me. I was having a good time with my x700 pro 3 1/2 years ago! Albeit, I had the sliders way down, but it was fine.

What I'm hoping will happen, is that people will stop and THINK about what is told to them, and that they do this BEFORE they just spread this possible mis-information on to other people. How unbelieveable is it that ATi wouldn't put clouds (or couldn't) into FSX? But this guy totally believed it, because someone told him (and I don't know who it was, NickN or not, and I'm fairly certain he wouldn't do that). He never stopped to think that the hundreds of thousands (or millions) of folks that are actually using ATi wouldn't notice? "*DEERRHH, you know whut Hank? I'ma gonna use one 'em NVidia cards, cuz this ol' ATi don't mayke the dang clouds at tawl." I don't talk like that, nor have I EVER had a problem with clouds. I like my ATi clouds!

I'm not trying to anger ANYONE (even you NVidia guys), just trying to clear up a little junk floating around out there.

This, more than anything, (and this is for you NNNG, with the upmost respect and agreeance) is the reason Benchmarks have importance. I don't need to know how good it is, I already know how good it is. I guess, though, for this reason alone, there needs to be a qualitative number to hand to others when things get said that really just can't be true, or are totally unbelieveable, even.

I'll tell you what I do. I am a specifications junkie. I can tell how much better something is, just by reading specs. That's how I know that the cards out there are so comparable, that you really can choose either top-end card and be totally blown away (with the exception of ATi 5970, only because NVidia's equivalent isn't out yet, to my understanding).

I hope this sheds some light on things. I recommend a system like what I got, because I get GREAT performance. The scores can't rate an entire system, only it's components. From there, you can make a composite number, but there's a WIDE margin for error when doing that, I'm sure. I say so because of this: I'm using an old card, and PhII. Scores don't like these, but I get AWESOME performance. I wish there was a way to prove that.

Da End.