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Postby Dan Morera » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:19 pm

So I know I'm buying an 8600 GTS from Newegg, but I see one from EVGA and one from XFX (This one is a little faster). The XFX if way more expensive than the one from EVGA and the specifications are not that different (in my ignorant opinion  :) )

Should I buy the more expensive card? I heard Nick N say "you get what you pay for". Is that the case here?

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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Nick N » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:57 pm

When I made the statement "You get What You Pay For" I probably should have qualified that with "if you know what your looking at"

If you dont know what you are looking at, in the case where where your choice is a 8600 or a 8800, you get what you pay for is easier and your choice will be right if you pay for the 8800.


This is a situation where you may be trying to save a few dollars because we are talking about identical cards for the most part. In this case you need to ask yourself... "Do I know how to clock a video card myself"? and "Will I clock that card"?

The XFX cars is already clocked up 55MHz on the core and 130MHz (DDR3 260) on the memory. Therefore, without experience, you are paying for the factory to clock the card for you.

Will it go clock higher? That I can not tell you. That is for the user to find out.

Can you clock the EVGA card yourself to the same speed? Possibly, but again, that is for the user to find out. You may find out the EvGA card has different memory chips than the XFX and is able to clock much higher, or the opposite. That is where "if you know what you are looking at" comes in.

If you want to try clocking yourself and save a few bucks, researching the card(s) at the hardware sites to see what they are getting in the way of clocks is a good research project.


If you compared an 8800GTX to an 8800 Ultra.. that has a 200-300 dollar difference in price tag, thats a bit different, although if you dont know how to clock or how to quiet a fan system yourself, the Ultra will deliver higher performace, the increase in that perfomance over the GTX is not worth 300 dollars. You wont be getting 1.5x the performance going from the GTX to the Ultra making 300 dollars worth the purchase.

But

I have an 8800GTX clocked well past an 8800GTX Ultra in speed without using a water cooling device. Did I get what I paid for? Yes, because at the time when I bought the 8800GTX I paid about 580 dollars for it and the Ultra was 850+, and, the aftermarket passive heatsink which is silent and is 2X better than the factory one only added anther 55 dollars to that purchase, so for 635 dollars I am running faster than the Ultra and can clock just as high as that card, saving me 200-250 dollars. And have less noise.


If I did not know how to clock and I wanted the fastest speed.. the Ultra would have been the only way to get that. In that case i would have gotten what I paid for, even if in that case I paid a bit too much.

So if you do not know how to clock a video card, do not want to void the warantee or take the risk, and you want the fastest card you cvan get, then you get what you pay for with the XFX card.



Now, when you consider the performance boost going from the superclocked 8600GTS 256 @ 225.00 to the 8800GTS 640 at 369.00, you are getting more than 2X the card performance in the 8800GTS for less than 2X the price.

You get what you pay for by not skimping for cost in that case
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Dan Morera » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:15 pm

Thank you for your help Nick N always even more that I could have asked for. Just one more thing though, I do not have the skill/knowledge to overclock a card so that's out of the question. Do you think the speed difference between the 2 off them would be noticeable? I know it's hard to tell, but by your experience am I going to miss those: 55MHz on the core and 130MHz (DDR3 260) on the memory? This is what I'm going to use to decide which one I buy.

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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Nick N » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:19 pm

Thank you for your help Nick N always even more that I could have asked for. Just one more thing though, I do not have the skill/knowledge to overclock a card so that's out of the question. Do you think the speed difference between the 2 off them would be noticeable? I know it's hard to tell, but by your experience am I going to miss those: 55MHz on the core and 130MHz (DDR3 260) on the memory? This is what I'm going to use to decide which one I buy.

Thanks again
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When it comes to the fact that the 8600 256 is already slower than a 7900GT, I would get the fastest speed possible


oh yea, you will miss it
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Dan Morera » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:30 pm

Excuse my ignorance please :-[ I looked at the 7900GT and the core and memory look slower.  Is the memory interface more important than the others? (Memory Interface        256-bit)

Man, making this decision is harder than I thought. So I'm going to ask you which one would you buy under $250?

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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Nick N » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:38 pm

[quote]Excuse my ignorance please :-[ I looked at the 7900GT and the core and memory look slower.
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Dan Morera » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:49 pm

ok, I see where you are going with this, here are my current specs:

Intel (R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHZ (2CPUS)
1 GB RAM
DIRECT X9
RADEON X300 SE 128 MB HYPERMEMORY (ATI) 32 BIT 60HZ (can you imagine the improvement from this)
160 GB Hard Drive  


I must say that I know my cpu is underpowered and I plan on buying a new one (dual core) in a few months. Ram wise I'm also buying more RAM along with the video card (2 gb more) and I'm also buying a 600w PSU, so in that regard we are covered. My intention is to enjoy FS9 to the fullest for another year and them afterwards move to FSX and enjoy at a fairly good quality, I know almost no one uses fsx at it's fullest so that doesn't worries me.

Regarding resolution I have not giving it much thought, I guess I'll adapt to the card more than adapting the card to me.

Thank you so much man
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Nick N » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:09 pm

[quote]ok, I see where you are going with this, here are my current specs:

Intel (R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHZ (2CPUS)
1 GB RAM
DIRECT X9
RADEON X300 SE 128 MB HYPERMEMORY (ATI) 32 BIT 60HZ (can you imagine the improvement from this)
160 GB Hard Drive
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Dan Morera » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:35 pm

Yes PCI-E.

Hmm so based on your recommendations I think this is the best choice for me 7950GT 512MB 256-bit it's more than I wanted to pay but I think it's the one that will give me more for my money. Do you agree with my  pick? I may go for the one with the 256mb to save some cash though.

Is 7900 about the same as a 7950? 7950 is in stock, so that's why I ask

Oh and yes I got a good LCD monitor that can handle high resolutions.

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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Nick N » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:53 pm

[quote]Yes PCI-E.

Hmm so based on your recommendations I think this is the best choice for me 7950GT 512MB 256-bit it's more than I wanted to pay but I think it's the one that will give me more for my money. Do you agree with my
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Dan Morera » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:48 pm

Thank you for your solid advice, I have learned a lot. And I think I have found the right choice at a price I can afford

7950GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3
Core clock        565MHz (vs. 550MHz Standard)
PixelPipelines        24
Memory Clock        1430MHz (vs. 1400MHz Standard)
Memory Size        256MB
Memory Interface        256-bit
Memory Type        GDDR3
DirectX        DirectX 9

I also left the 512 version on auto notify just in case they become available before I place my order.

Thank you so much Nick N
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Nick N » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:05 pm

Good Choice!

Especially since DX10 will be moving to DX10.1 in the next gen of cards and you must have the DX10.1 card core for the features to be available

You wont be dissapointed and that card will clock too if you ever want to play with that!

If you can get the 512 it would be a nice upgrade, especially if you want to run 1600x1200 where the 512 buffer is really needed but on FS9 the 256 will do the job at 1280x1024

the 256bit interface, the PPL's and the clocks will have you running better in FS9 than the 8600
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby waspiflab » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:56 pm

The Radeon X1950 XT can be found as low as
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby Nick N » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:17 pm

[quote]The Radeon X1950 XT can be found as low as
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Re: 8600 GTS Brands

Postby richardd43 » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:25 pm

Long live the 7xxx series. I have a 7900GTX and a pair of 7950 GX2s and really like them. I have not tried the 256 versions but if they are anything like their big brothers you will be happy with the card.

BTW Nick, thanks for the DX 10.1 tip, I knew there was a reason I was holding back on an upgrade.
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