MYTHBUSTERS

[NicksFXHouse]

MYTHBUSTERS: 1T CMD IS SLOWER AND HIGHER MHz IS BETTER


First of all, just because someone manages to post or run a high overclock does not mean they are getting the same performance as someone who purchases a CPU that is designed to run at the speed the overclocker is hitting. In example, just because I hit 2.75gig with a 2.2gig processor does not mean because I am getting a 25% numerical overclock I am actually getting a TRUE 25% performance increase. That

[Viper22]

Wow, thats whack.

Thats way over my head, I just run my Conroe at stock speeds and it works fine

[ctjoyce]

Cool find Nick, lots of good information there.

@Viper, you really should change your sig

Cheers
Cameron

[cheesegrater]

Yeah, it's not impressing anyone anymore.

[NicksFXHouse]

Just picked up a set of these...

https://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductD ... e=85019-23

They should do the job quite nicely.

I meant to pickup some DDR500 (or better) several weeks ago but the suppliers have been dry for the modules I have been after and I have been swamped with work.

It will be interesting to see the results. There is no bottleneck with those modules. They are known for hitting 260-270 @ 1T on their advertised timing spec. I am sure they will make my grandson happy.

I could have done without the blinky sales gimmick lights but they don

[ctjoyce]

If anybody wants a set of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820227210

I will sell them at a reasonable price. They work great and have never given me a problem.

Ahh yes, the RAM that got me to 4Ghz on my Pressy. I can also vouch that those are great sticks.

Cheers
Cameron

[Alonso]

That's the "megahertz myth" that Apple revealed when they lauched processors that were quite faster than Pentium II but had less megahertz...very nice thread...

[NicksFXHouse]

That post was a RANT


LOL

After spending time looking at memory products off and on the last several weeks and see what is out there, the cost and what they are producing even for the next gen of products I had to let it out....

Damn memory chip companies got busted for price fixing and now they are taking their revenge

[congo]

[quote]
Next, you will notice there was a distinct and gauged drop in performance between each section. As the system was overclocked higher, the percentage of performance increase dropped by

[NicksFXHouse]

Nick, can you explain this "new math" to me, because your charts definitely show a performance increase as the spec rises, albeit even if the real performance gains are gradually losing ground between sections, the overclock still appears to be giving some real performance benefits. (as we would expect)

I see that the performance gains slide down by roughly 1/2 a percent between sections, but that still leaves us with a significant gain.

The way I'm reading this, it appears as if you are stating that overclocking "to the max" is going to be detrimental to performance, which has me a tad confused. I believe you mean that the higher we overclock, the less actual true performance gain we will actually get, as the performance curve starts to flatten off. Could you clarify it for us please?

That

[NicksFXHouse]

I paid retail 239 with no sale or coupon for those OCZ sticks that now sell for 289

Someone needs to explain to me how old hardware which is going out, goes up in price like that.


Then try to replace it with something better and that will actually do the job needed to overcome the overclock wall and make it worth the purchase.

You can

[congo]

One of the reasons the memory price is so high is because it's trendy to have too many gigs of high performance memory..... high demand, high prices.

It appears as if the distributors here in Australia are all (all five of them?) involved in price fixing tactics, to the point where some smallish online firms (by US standards) are even able to influence those distributors into making certain decisions.

The yuppie PC enthusiast is the new market, these guys are rushing home after work and ripping their ties off so they can geek away with the best of us, they are regulars in hardware forums now and they all have the sweetest gear money can buy (or at least what's available at their local retailer

[NicksFXHouse]

Whats happening in the market is not yuppie produced. The memory manufactures are floodiing the market with modules that are high latency and asking rediculous prices for them. I watched that trend start about a year and a half ago before the price fixing chip scandal broke.

They have chips that will run low latency and high frequencies but are holding them or price gouging on what crap they do release.

They have a huge stock of old garbage they are getting rid of @ top dollar and placing a 'new' lable on it. They are using the release of Conroe to and AM2 for the lastest dump of junk on the market.

I run 1.5-2-2-5 modules in lab systems which hit speeds that would make your head spin. They are special designed PCB's that do not work with the socket standards on the public market. They have been in place for over 5 years.

Im telling you... the crap your being fed on the open market for newer systems is a joke. They are using memory chips that were developed and manufactured back in the mid 90's, charging top dollar for the junk and calling it 'high-tech'.

They are using the overclocker forums/market to convince the public they need to use their garbage, its better to run it at high FSB and dont worry about the rest.

[Brett_Henderson]

Careful.. or you guys are gonna push me back to my original arguments.. over a year ago  :P

If you gotta buy expensive RAM and cooling fans.. wouldn't you have been better off just buying a faster CPU to begin with.. Or saving the RAM cooling $$ for the next upgrade and CPU ?

(sorry.. couldn't resist)(I'm in the O/C camp.. got real results without going nutso)..

[Brett_Henderson]

Or (and you guys will have to do the math)....

Let's say we have $700 for comparison sake..

What ratio gives the best REAL performance ?

A $300 CPU with $400 worth of RAM WAY